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Nintendo should spend a lot of money on advertising download delivery of 3DS titles, they should charge less for download titles, and they should make a phone/ handheld / tablet device (obviously which includes traditional controls).

They should also fight long and hard to ensure the best indy devs get maximum incentive for development on 3DSWare, and they should advertise 3rd party titles if 3rd party companies neglect to do so (temporarily atleast).

And OP is neglecting a pretty major factor in terms of the current handheld (traditional) market, the 3DS owns 85% of it.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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Wii and DS were beasts, their performance was just above any previous mark. Nintendo is not doing bad, it's not great tho.

You are overestimating E3, Nintendo will be able to perform well even if they have a mediocre presentation in June.



Nintendo has had unimpressive E3 conferences in the past, and yet here they are. If they don't impress, they may not exactly thrive this year. But they won't be down for the count by a long shot.

It's irrelevant, though, because Nintendo is going to dominate E3 this year. Count on it.



 

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spurgeonryan said: 

IF Nintendo does not impress at E3 this year will Nintendo fail in the West?


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Cobretti2 said:
LOL @ Walkthrublazer3


"over milked franchise spewing machine that is enarmored with releasing another another Mairo and Zelda game."

so is the rest of the industry, at least Nintendo try to do changes to those games. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.


EA SPORTS = every year there is the same game (FIFA, MADDEN, GOLF, NEED FOR SPEED etc..) with MINOR changes. Sounds like a milked franchises to me.

SQUARE = what final fantasy are we up to now? each one only gets worst. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

ACTIVISION = call of duty games. Since modern warfare nothing much has changed in the franchise. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

SONY = Gran Turismo, guranteed to be on every Sony platform. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

MICROSOFT = Halo, another gurantee on each iteration of the xbox. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

Even when all these franchise get milked to death doesn't mean people don't like the games. A franchise that is milked signifies that there is a big enough audience out there to continue producing the games. Lets face it, no developer will continue making more and more of the same game if each new iteration continues to loose them money.

Sorry but Final Fantasy changes more from an episode to another than Mario or Zelda in their entire history.

Even Call of Duty add more changes than mario games do.

As for Gran Turismo, where is the problem to have one iteration per gen? Do you think people should play Gran Turismo 1 eternally? Even 2 GT per gen (which was the case so far) looks far more resonable than releasing a mario game every 6 months...



ryuzaki57 said:

Sorry but Final Fantasy changes more from an episode to another than Mario or Zelda in their entire history.

Even Call of Duty add more changes than mario games do.

As for Gran Turismo, where is the problem to have one iteration per gen? Do you think people should play Gran Turismo 1 eternally? Even 2 GT per gen (which was the case so far) looks far more resonable than releasing a mario game every 6 months...

Alright, I'll bite.

 

Do you hear yourself? Mario's name and image is used for a lot of games, but they are VERY different games. 2D Platformers, 3D Platformers, JRPGs, Sports, Racing, Party/Mini-game -- Mario has a lot of bases covered. It's not like there's a new 3D platformer every year. Certainly not every 6 months.

 

And you obviously haven't played more than a single Zelda game. You mean to tell me that Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2 are more different from one another than The Legend of Zelda (NES) is from Skyward Sword? Really? No two Zelda games are the same. Generally they change a LOT from one game to the next. Try Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask and tell me the latter is a rehash of the former.

 

Mario games change more than just their levels, too. Look at Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy. They control differently, which is kind of a big deal for platformers. The only Mario game that didn't really change a lot from its predecessor was Galaxy 2 -- and people were practically begging for it.



the_dengle said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Sorry but Final Fantasy changes more from an episode to another than Mario or Zelda in their entire history.

Even Call of Duty add more changes than mario games do.

As for Gran Turismo, where is the problem to have one iteration per gen? Do you think people should play Gran Turismo 1 eternally? Even 2 GT per gen (which was the case so far) looks far more resonable than releasing a mario game every 6 months...

Alright, I'll bite.

 

Do you hear yourself? Mario's name and image is used for a lot of games, but they are VERY different games. 2D Platformers, 3D Platformers, JRPGs, Sports, Racing, Party/Mini-game -- Mario has a lot of bases covered. It's not like there's a new 3D platformer every year. Certainly not every 6 months.

 

And you obviously haven't played more than a single Zelda game. You mean to tell me that Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2 are more different from one another than The Legend of Zelda (NES) is from Skyward Sword? Really? No two Zelda games are the same. Generally they change a LOT from one game to the next. Try Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask and tell me the latter is a rehash of the former.

 

Mario games change more than just their levels, too. Look at Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy. They control differently, which is kind of a big deal for platformers. The only Mario game that didn't really change a lot from its predecessor was Galaxy 2 -- and people were practically begging for it.

Pretty much agree 100%.  Nicely sums up exactly what I was going to point out.

Sure, Final Fantasy's characters and stories are completely different from game to game, but its mechanics are largely indistinguishable from one another.  Despite that Mario and Zelda feature the same characters and (often) the same setting from game to game, there's far more gameplay variety in their lineage.



ryuzaki57 said:
Cobretti2 said:
LOL @ Walkthrublazer3


"over milked franchise spewing machine that is enarmored with releasing another another Mairo and Zelda game."

so is the rest of the industry, at least Nintendo try to do changes to those games. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.


EA SPORTS = every year there is the same game (FIFA, MADDEN, GOLF, NEED FOR SPEED etc..) with MINOR changes. Sounds like a milked franchises to me.

SQUARE = what final fantasy are we up to now? each one only gets worst. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

ACTIVISION = call of duty games. Since modern warfare nothing much has changed in the franchise. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

SONY = Gran Turismo, guranteed to be on every Sony platform. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

MICROSOFT = Halo, another gurantee on each iteration of the xbox. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

Even when all these franchise get milked to death doesn't mean people don't like the games. A franchise that is milked signifies that there is a big enough audience out there to continue producing the games. Lets face it, no developer will continue making more and more of the same game if each new iteration continues to loose them money.

Sorry but Final Fantasy changes more from an episode to another than Mario or Zelda in their entire history.

Even Call of Duty add more changes than mario games do.

As for Gran Turismo, where is the problem to have one iteration per gen? Do you think people should play Gran Turismo 1 eternally? Even 2 GT per gen (which was the case so far) looks far more resonable than releasing a mario game every 6 months...

at what point of my post did I say that the games suck? I merely pointed out popular franchises get milked by the industry and not just Nintendo.

Also, main stream mario games is also 1-2 per gen on each platform.



 

 

archbrix said:

Walkthrublazer3 said:

1. Nintendo may have a lot of money in the bank, but compared to their competition it's lot a drop in the bucket. If the Wii-U does terrible and fails Nintendo's stock will plummet. Apple, Microsoft, or Sony could buy up Nintendo's stock and hostilily take over Nintendo. Nintendo's competitiors are massive multi-billion dollar companies, with a ton of power. Were talking some of the biggest businesses in the world! Nintendo despite being successful this last gen is no longer the king of gaming. Their kingdom has been usurped by much more powerful companies.Like it or not Sony, Microsoft, and Sony run the video game world now.

Wrong. Sony and Microsoft hardly run the game world compared to Nintendo.  The Wii proved that more than anything, despite its lacking 3rd party support.  Nintendo has proven that they can be successful by pretty much just relying on their 1st party games and IPs.  Microsoft and Sony could only dream of being able to do the same.  Furthermore, you greatly overestimate the amount of money that Sony has to throw around.  While they're not without their billions in the bank, they're also not without their debt, in which Nintendo has zero.

I will add something.

 It is nearly impossible for a hostile take over. Nintendo itself owns about, if not over, half their stock. A few years ago they bought up quite a bit with the money they where making with the Wii and DS. So if for some obsured reason they release that stock they are in a position where