I can not believe that you find it perfectly logical to conclude that somebody who believes that your fate is pre-determined would permit acts of rape and murder and respect the opinions of such individuals. How can you possibly not see the flaw in such ridiculous thinking? How on Earth can you assume that a Tabula Rasa / pre-determined fate school of thought would naturally give rise to anything even remotely resembling what you implied with your statement? No offense but what you said isn't logical, it's insane.

How can you not see the flaw in morally condemning rapists and murderers? If you believe in predetermination, why should a murderer feel guilt when he couldn't have done it in any other way?

Your initial statement:

"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is"

is a far cry from simply not comdemning these criminals. I personally believe that these criminals should simply be put to death or imprisoned as necessary in order to safeguard our society. I do not judge them myself for I know that if I were born into the exact same body and raised in the exact same environment under the exact same circumstances I would be the exact same person and therefore, I would have made the exact same decisions. This in no way translates to permitting these crimes or respecting their opinions. Again, I fail to see how you made that connection.

Edit: There is no correlation between not being judgemental and condemning and being ridiculously lenient and permissive. Just because I undertsand why they turned out the way that they did and that they had no influence on their own development does not mean that I am concerned about their feelings or that I value their opinions.

Logic has a hard enough time being applied to life in general.  It is a tool by which one can process reality in a way that is useful, but so much of life is not logical, and that is how it goes.  

People in isolation tend to think they have slam dunk arguments.  They then enter the world on a crusade, only to find that things don't go as they planned.  Apparently THE has decided he can't handle the way this goes, so he left this thread.  It ends up being hard for an individual to grasp that reality just is, whether it be logical or not.   The artifical filters for processing reality make it logical or not, and add right or wrong, and other labels on it.

Why not? When I put on my predetermination glasses I always look at people's behaviour and feel it made sense. It always makes sense because it could only be that way and nothing else, therefore I cant condemn it. How can I condemn their behaviour when they had no other choice than to do just so?

The abramic religions make no sense bc Judaism was the first abramic faith whose biggest influence was Zoroastrianism, and this is a generally accepted history outside of Christian colleges, anyway. Those Zoroastrian texts read like some eff'd up Greek myth. That's what you people are worshipping.

Just because it is the logical conclusion that you would personally arive at does not mean that you can asume other people, who believe in pre-determined fate, will share the same conclusion. I personally believe that it would be ludicrous to avoid hurting the feelings of murderers and rapists or to see their opinions as valid just because they had no role in their own development. I personally think that your statement:

"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is"."

is illogical and that your assertion:

"Do you realize the implications? Don't you see how radically it would change an atheist if he truly started to live as if everything is pre-determined.

is groundless as it clearly has not led me to care for the feelings and opinions of the aforementioned murderers, rapists, etc... Being an athiest that believes human development is pre-determined has not led me to the same values that you asserted it would, hence your assertion is clearly untrue. Do you understand my point now? You said that if an athiest believed in pre-determined fate that they might become overly lenient and concerned with those who commit grievous crimes. I, as an athiest who believes in pre-determined fate, have not arrived at this school of thought rendering your statement literally untrue. There is nothing left to argue. Athiesm plus a belief in pre-determined fate does not necessarily equal permissive or compassionate thinking, that is all.

Meh, all religion is bs and it's biggest value is making others feel good I mean some people need that.  But trying to 

Prove/disprove religion through philosophical reasoning is useless, I mean it's ultimately our choice whether or not we believe in it, not whether we can give a proof of god that our 10th philosophy class prof will approve of.  That's why I prefer to deal with things that actually do have some physical basis, like I just did using history.  I even got so good at arguing against religion while I was in college that my pastor would scream at me, then I just dropped out of church.

I kind of understand your objection now.

I have a hard time explaining my position properly.

What I am trying to show is how difficult it is to have the position that there exists no free will. Because one implication of no free will is that morality ceases to exist, therefore I tried to use some (weak) examples from real life to show how absurd and difficult it gets when you claim to opt out from following a moral code. 

A caveat here: patterns and codes of behaviour could still be described and studied in terms of "morals" from the perspective of an outside observer of certain scenarios, but a huge part of what we define and understand as morals would cease to exist if there is no free will (this is what I have a hard time to define exactly. An expert of morals and ethics could probably find the right term for the stuff that demands free will).

My point is to object the naming of the thread and to show that it's no less irrational to serve an almighty God than it is to believe in no free will in general.