Slimebeast said:
bouzane said:
Slimebeast said:
bouzane said:
Slimebeast said:
bouzane said:
"Do you realize the implications? Don't you see how radically it would change an atheist if he truly started to live as if everything is pre-determined.
You would stop thinking "Dammit, Person X why did you make Y decision", because Person X could only have made that decision and not anything else.
"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is"."
Dear god slimebeast, how can you be so illogical? I'm an atheist who believes that everything is per-determined and as such, realize that if I were born under the exact same circumstances as a rapist, murderer, etc... I would turn out the same. That being said, how in the hell do you jump from a Tabula Rasa view of human development to your statement above? Please think before you type in order to avoid such asinine statements. |
Illogical? I am perfectly logical in that post. I don't get your criticism.
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I can not believe that you find it perfectly logical to conclude that somebody who believes that your fate is pre-determined would permit acts of rape and murder and respect the opinions of such individuals. How can you possibly not see the flaw in such ridiculous thinking? How on Earth can you assume that a Tabula Rasa / pre-determined fate school of thought would naturally give rise to anything even remotely resembling what you implied with your statement? No offense but what you said isn't logical, it's insane.
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How can you not see the flaw in morally condemning rapists and murderers? If you believe in predetermination, why should a murderer feel guilt when he couldn't have done it in any other way?
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Your initial statement:
"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is"
is a far cry from simply not comdemning these criminals. I personally believe that these criminals should simply be put to death or imprisoned as necessary in order to safeguard our society. I do not judge them myself for I know that if I were born into the exact same body and raised in the exact same environment under the exact same circumstances I would be the exact same person and therefore, I would have made the exact same decisions. This in no way translates to permitting these crimes or respecting their opinions. Again, I fail to see how you made that connection.
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Why not? When I put on my predetermination glasses I always look at people's behaviour and feel it made sense. It always makes sense because it could only be that way and nothing else, therefore I cant condemn it. How can I condemn their behaviour when they had no other choice than to do just so?
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Just because it is the logical conclusion that you would personally arive at does not mean that you can asume other people, who believe in pre-determined fate, will share the same conclusion. I personally believe that it would be ludicrous to avoid hurting the feelings of murderers and rapists or to see their opinions as valid just because they had no role in their own development. I personally think that your statement:
"Maybe I shouldn't condemn that racist, rapist or murderer and make him feel bad, his opinion is just as well based as mine is"."
is illogical and that your assertion:
"Do you realize the implications? Don't you see how radically it would change an atheist if he truly started to live as if everything is pre-determined.
is groundless as it clearly has not led me to care for the feelings and opinions of the aforementioned murderers, rapists, etc... Being an athiest that believes human development is pre-determined has not led me to the same values that you asserted it would, hence your assertion is clearly untrue. Do you understand my point now? You said that if an athiest believed in pre-determined fate that they might become overly lenient and concerned with those who commit grievous crimes. I, as an athiest who believes in pre-determined fate, have not arrived at this school of thought rendering your statement literally untrue. There is nothing left to argue. Athiesm plus a belief in pre-determined fate does not necessarily equal permissive or compassionate thinking, that is all.
