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Badassbab said:
At OP-

There are so many things wrong with religion, you can't pin point it to one thing. Once you get past the immoral parts there is a whole scientific aspect to it. That's when religion really falls flat on it's face. Yeah you argue how it's genocidal, petty and pointless but world created in a few days? Flat planet? People lived for hundreds of years? Ok....

I know it's good to debate but believe me you will never convince someone who believes in God that he/she doesn't exist and it's all a load of BS for such and such reason. That can only come from themselves through their own life experiences and research. Only a theist can start questioning their own faith and those with an open mind and a thirst for knowledge will come round eventually.


Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).



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Jumpin said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Yes, I do. However, this thread is dedicated to those who haven't.


I agree, it is interesting to see what people think on the subject. I like your threads.

Thanks. It's nice to get some positive feedback among the trolling accusations



If you have a Facebook account try liking them for a few tongue in cheek laughs- http://www.facebook.com/ImProudToBeAtheist/photos



It does'nt make sense,because religion is'nt real,it's all made up.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Badassbab said:
At OP-

There are so many things wrong with religion, you can't pin point it to one thing. Once you get past the immoral parts there is a whole scientific aspect to it. That's when religion really falls flat on it's face. Yeah you argue how it's genocidal, petty and pointless but world created in a few days? Flat planet? People lived for hundreds of years? Ok....

I know it's good to debate but believe me you will never convince someone who believes in God that he/she doesn't exist and it's all a load of BS for such and such reason. That can only come from themselves through their own life experiences and research. Only a theist can start questioning their own faith and those with an open mind and a thirst for knowledge will come round eventually.


Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).

Are you running a non-belief crockpot of some sort that you expect will slowing end up making people non-believers?  This "very slow process" you are running is so slow, you won't be around to see anything.  It is important to understand people have religious beliefs and do religious practices for genuine need reasons that your taking away from them doesn't do anything to help fill in the blanks.  Even offering a degree of security in the what comes after death is something that goes miles for people.  

Are you just doing a one shot deal here, or going for a series of articles on an anti-religious crusade to win converts?  What I get from your original post is issues of free will vs determinism, and find that the human mind has a limited knowledge set that prevents them coming back to the answer.  It doesn't end up doing anything to strip away belief.  In fact, I have a lot more deeper issues I have pondered and still stand.  It ends up merely having me think of an old chestnut. I can say this, because if one goes and changes the subject to a more generic one, without God, you still don't have an answer.

End the end, after pondering more and thinking on this, perhaps the answer God does give in the story is the only one suitable for humans.  This is: Can you answer the questions about how everything is made and know fully how the cosmos works?  If not, then you don't possess sufficient knowledge to be able to answer questions about the nature and existence of God.  You are merely humans with limited knowledge and wisdom, that just wants to feel secure that you have all the answers.



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richardhutnik said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).

This "very slow process" you are running is so slow, you won't be around to see anything.

Wrong. I have even managed to make my friend believe that there can't possibly be an almighty God (which he previously though) and that the free will do not exist. Eventually, I even managed to make him believe that everything is determined (which we frequently talk about). And he will probably pass through that thought to other people.



pezus said:
NobleTeam360 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NobleTeam360 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

But God already knows about everything that you will choose before you are born. So what is the purpose of hell? Did God just create a few humans that are destined to commit sins and go there once they die? It makes no sense.

We are God's slaves.


LOL you keep saying the same thing over and over.


That's because people won't listen. The answer is clearly stated in the OP but they just keep asking more questions.

And saying "LOL" won't add anything positive to the discussion. If you have nothing to add, then don't add anything.


Wow you get offended easily. Anyway i would give my 2 cents but you will just reply the same way you did to everybody else.

You mean he would point out the logical inconsistencies? Why are you afraid of saying what you want?

I can easily point out the inconsistencies of most science theories , such as Global warming, The Big Bang theory, & evolution. But since this is about religion and it gets off topic i won't. Also just because inconsistencies exist doesn't give you the right to put down the thought of God. Even though i believe in God it doesn't make me ignorant of science, i personally do believe that Earth is alot older than 6,000 years. Humans have been here longer than that. All i know is that everyone will find when they die so i try to avoid arguing over this subject.



How about this one, if god is almighty (as I've heard him described) he could create a rock so big that even he couldn't lift it up.



Paul said:
How about this one, if god is almighty (as I've heard him described) he could create a rock so big that even he couldn't lift it up.

More theological one is this: Is it possible for an all-mighty and all-knowing God to be able to set things in motion that can't be change by anyone or anything, even themselves?  In short is the will of God really immutable.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
richardhutnik said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).

This "very slow process" you are running is so slow, you won't be around to see anything.

Wrong. I have even managed to make my friend beieve that there can't possibly be an almighty God (which he previously though) and that the free will do not exist. Eventually, I even managed to make him believe that everything is determined (which we frequently talk about). And he will probably pass through that thought to other people.

Context of what I write, is people on the Internet you interact with.  It is people you don't know, who you really don't care about, and it is the same for them with you.  It is individuals who have lives outside of you, and if you disappeared, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to them.  Well, unless you are presuming strangers on the Internet, who post and read forums like this, are somehow your friends, the way the friend you talk about is.

If you seriously want a new one ripped determinism, I suggest you do research into quantum mechanics.  The fact that something gets an observer impacts how it acts.  If things were totally deterministic, then why would this happen?  Besides this, if everything were totally deterministic, why would you bother trying to convert anyone to anything?  Won't the deterministic system of the universe end up making what they are?  And also, how do you know that it isn't important for people to believe that they have free will, in order to make determinism work?  Either you have zero impact in the ability to change others personally, because the system is there, or the fact you can change someone with your thoughts to believe determinism means that your belief in determinism is folly, because what you decided to do did have an impact.