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richardhutnik on 10 May 2012
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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Badassbab said:
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There are so many things wrong with religion, you can't pin point it to one thing. Once you get past the immoral parts there is a whole scientific aspect to it. That's when religion really falls flat on it's face. Yeah you argue how it's genocidal, petty and pointless but world created in a few days? Flat planet? People lived for hundreds of years? Ok....
I know it's good to debate but believe me you will never convince someone who believes in God that he/she doesn't exist and it's all a load of BS for such and such reason. That can only come from themselves through their own life experiences and research. Only a theist can start questioning their own faith and those with an open mind and a thirst for knowledge will come round eventually.


Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).

Are you running a non-belief crockpot of some sort that you expect will slowing end up making people non-believers?  This "very slow process" you are running is so slow, you won't be around to see anything.  It is important to understand people have religious beliefs and do religious practices for genuine need reasons that your taking away from them doesn't do anything to help fill in the blanks.  Even offering a degree of security in the what comes after death is something that goes miles for people.  

Are you just doing a one shot deal here, or going for a series of articles on an anti-religious crusade to win converts?  What I get from your original post is issues of free will vs determinism, and find that the human mind has a limited knowledge set that prevents them coming back to the answer.  It doesn't end up doing anything to strip away belief.  In fact, I have a lot more deeper issues I have pondered and still stand.  It ends up merely having me think of an old chestnut. I can say this, because if one goes and changes the subject to a more generic one, without God, you still don't have an answer.

End the end, after pondering more and thinking on this, perhaps the answer God does give in the story is the only one suitable for humans.  This is: Can you answer the questions about how everything is made and know fully how the cosmos works?  If not, then you don't possess sufficient knowledge to be able to answer questions about the nature and existence of God.  You are merely humans with limited knowledge and wisdom, that just wants to feel secure that you have all the answers.