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richardhutnik on 10 May 2012
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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
richardhutnik said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, if there is anything I have learned throughout the years then it's that you can't use science in a religious debate. They always find a way of working around that. What I have done here is to question their logic though.

Last paragraph: I obviously don't expect people to stop believing in God and become atheist right away with these kind of threads. All I'm doing is making them question their beliefs, which is a very slow process. I know I started question my own beliefs by education and by myself, but others may need a push to start this process. Some may reject my thread completely (as seen in quite a few comments), but then they also reject their logic (whether it's scientifically or religiously based, it's still logic).

This "very slow process" you are running is so slow, you won't be around to see anything.

Wrong. I have even managed to make my friend beieve that there can't possibly be an almighty God (which he previously though) and that the free will do not exist. Eventually, I even managed to make him believe that everything is determined (which we frequently talk about). And he will probably pass through that thought to other people.

Context of what I write, is people on the Internet you interact with.  It is people you don't know, who you really don't care about, and it is the same for them with you.  It is individuals who have lives outside of you, and if you disappeared, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to them.  Well, unless you are presuming strangers on the Internet, who post and read forums like this, are somehow your friends, the way the friend you talk about is.

If you seriously want a new one ripped determinism, I suggest you do research into quantum mechanics.  The fact that something gets an observer impacts how it acts.  If things were totally deterministic, then why would this happen?  Besides this, if everything were totally deterministic, why would you bother trying to convert anyone to anything?  Won't the deterministic system of the universe end up making what they are?  And also, how do you know that it isn't important for people to believe that they have free will, in order to make determinism work?  Either you have zero impact in the ability to change others personally, because the system is there, or the fact you can change someone with your thoughts to believe determinism means that your belief in determinism is folly, because what you decided to do did have an impact.