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Doesn't surprise me really.

1) Most of the people who have bought 360's now know what to expect from the console in terms of exclusives: new XBLA titles, and some bold shooters. Sprinkled with a bit of Fable.

2) A big budget game this late in the cycle doesn't make sense because...

3) ... because Microsoft plans on unveiling a new system within the next two years. They will focus their "gaming" efforts as launch titles for the 720. You don't want to dwarf 720 sales by having a lot of AAA exclusives come out for a system prior to your new one.

4) Microsoft plans to appeal to the casual buyers *again* because there are people out there that want to use it as a multimedia device but are looking for more options.

I don't think MS will put more effort into games before releasing the 720 outside of what they already announced. By working on media features that lays the groundwork for the 720.



It's just that simple.

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crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No. Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

japanese just don't buy foreign products if they can buy the same quaility from a japanese company, that's it...the whole japanese car market is 95% japanese cars, don't tell me the other companies of the whole world don't build good cars. and if they would have a big shoe company like nike or adidas, they wouldn't buy adidas and nike anymore.

there are a few exceptions, but only a few...


Theres no reason for the Japanese to buy outsider things if they are copies or too similar to their own. Show them something they dont have and they'll buy it. It keeps their economy pumping. Giving money to the Japanese doesn't help the American or European cause outside of taxing.

aha, so they don't buy it if it's too similiar to their own product? didn't i say exactly the same? they don't buy foreign products if they have something similiar from japanese companies. thx for reposting my post.


but still, they wouldn't buy as much xbox consoles as playstations with the same exclusives (llike this game from few months ago)

The original Xbox had mostly PC exclusives, which I am sure most of them already had and the PS2 covered the exclusives on the console end. The PS3 has most of the games the 360 has, and PC covers the majority of PC's exclusives. Why should the Japanese buy the 360 again? The 360 was launched a year ahead of schedule to gather most of the offerings the PS3 was already scheduled to have before them and make deals with third parties. The Japanese also did themselves a favor dodging the bullet of the large failure rate of 360's. It had to be 60% at the highest worldwide which is horrible. The lowest Microsoft admitted to was 40% then it grew to 50% and more.



MonstaMack said:

Doesn't surprise me really.

1) Most of the people who have bought 360's now know what to expect from the console in terms of exclusives: new XBLA titles, and some bold shooters. Sprinkled with a bit of Fable.

2) A big budget game this late in the cycle doesn't make sense because...

3) ... because Microsoft plans on unveiling a new system within the next two years. They will focus their "gaming" efforts as launch titles for the 720. You don't want to dwarf 720 sales by having a lot of AAA exclusives come out for a system prior to your new one.

4) Microsoft plans to appeal to the casual buyers *again* because there are people out there that want to use it as a multimedia device but are looking for more options.

I don't think MS will put more effort into games before releasing the 720 outside of what they already announced. By working on media features that lays the groundwork for the 720.


I can't wait to test this strong titled launch. Microsoft has never had one and neither has Sony.



o_O.Q said:
its good business sense after all and ultimately that's what matters


It's bad business. Sooner or later people will move on to other platforms which are actually giving them new gaming experiences.

You think Microsoft can launch and sustain a new console with just more Forza and Halo + Kinect and 3rd party support? Sooner or later people will get tired of that.

NEW IPs are needed. If MS is cares about gamers they are developing some new IP for Xbox 720. If they were smart they'd launch new IPs on 360 and carry that momentum over to the 720.



VGKing said:
o_O.Q said:
its good business sense after all and ultimately that's what matters


It's bad business. Sooner or later people will move on to other platforms which are actually giving them new gaming experiences.

You think Microsoft can launch and sustain a new console with just more Forza and Halo + Kinect and 3rd party support? Sooner or later people will get tired of that.

NEW IPs are needed. If MS is cares about gamers they are developing some new IP for Xbox 720. If they were smart they'd launch new IPs on 360 and carry that momentum over to the 720.

Yep. Microsoft has kind of exploited the weakness of the gaming industry, in which the majority of sales don't come from the gamers. Give the gamers a little fun to give yourself a solid base and then let the third parties do all the work. Microsoft doesn't operate like a gaming company, but rather a smart, profitable American corporation who knows how to draw money out of people by any means necessary. Less money on games, more money on marketing. Kinect never came before the Eye toy, but everyone never knew the Eye Toy existed when the device was made primarily for them. Microsoft had the Kinect everywhere a casual would look in America which is smart. Americans will buy anything as long as it is a new fad during the holiday season. At this point it doesn't matter what the gamers want, they could launch without focusing on them and still survive. I made a joke today that Halo is their pacifier for the gamers, because if they bitch all they have to do is say STFU and put a Halo pacifier in their mouth. lol



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@S.T.A.G.E

Hindsight is never a justification for forethought. You can argue after the fact that you made the right decision, but you never know how things play out in advance. The reality is that the Japanese consumer went to great lengths not to buy the 360. Overlooking price points, library, and availability. In other words prior to knowing about the hardware issues. There wasn't any overwhelming justification to wait for the PS3, and a lot of justification to not wait.



Dodece said:
@S.T.A.G.E

Hindsight is never a justification for forethought. You can argue after the fact that you made the right decision, but you never know how things play out in advance. The reality is that the Japanese consumer went to great lengths not to buy the 360. Overlooking price points, library, and availability. In other words prior to knowing about the hardware issues. There wasn't any overwhelming justification to wait for the PS3, and a lot of justification to not wait.

Thats true, but I didn't trust Microsoft last gen either. Their first party was generic and thoughtless, XSN was a failure and all their great third party and handful of good first party games were already on PC (Save for Halo 2). I had the Xbox, PC, Gamecube and the PS2. Most of my console time based on exclusives was spent on the PS2 and Gamecube and eventually I sold my Xbox. KOTOR, Jade Empire were my favorite games on the Xbox last gen and when I found out they were on PC I sold the Xbox without much thought knowing there are greater games beyond Microsoft. Most of my friends here in America boasted that the Xbox had best graphics when I sold my Xbox....and I said "Great...it's still has no games". Thats when they shut up, just like most of the mindless people argue about the PS3's offerings vs the 360's. It still hasn't changed. I know who the gaming company is. 



enrageorange said:
Panama said:
The problem is that the consumer gives them no reason to release retail exclusives. The 360 usually dominates sales charts in the USA with what tends to be a purely third party retail lineup for the last 4 years. It's the consumer's fault for having such low standards if anything, not Microsoft's.

It's actually very much sony's fault. With all things equal, the 360 is the console to get simply because it's the more popular console, and so getting means you have more friends to lend you games and to play online with. Sony came to the race very late, and tried to pass the leader by copying its every move. The wii was able to easily pass it by coming up with a different game plan.

I am talking strictly USA in the following paragraph.

Sony hasn't been able to differentiate themselves from xbox, and hence they have struggled against them. Other than Uncharted and God of War, the US fanbase has shown no interest in any recent exclusives and that goes for even ps3 owners. They are just buying CoD, Madden, NBA, and Assassins Creed, with a little skyrim and battlefield 3 to spruce things up last year. Basically the exact same games 360 owners buy, except replace Uncharted and God of War with the much more popular Gears of War and Halo(again strictl yUSA). So tell me again why people should be flocking over to the PS3? The only reasonable arguement is because online gaming is free, and I think its a very big one, sony just screwed themselves because the people who care about online gaming want to play with their friends who happen to most likely have 360s.

The 360 is approaching market saturation in America. Sony just needs to make more imaginative games to convince 360 owners to suppliment their console with a ps3. Killzone, resistance, and infamous sequels won't help. Sony needs big  immaginative games that won't compete with a multiplatform behemoth. LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 5, and Gran Turismo 5 are good examples of games in genres with little competition that a sony exclusive was able to dominate. They do not need some shooter or sandbox game that has no chance to compete with CoD and GTA. Microsoft is very lucky that Gears of War and Halo got big before Call of Duty got big and so those two games can still sell well. Sony is sheer out of luck in that respect. It would take far too much effort and advertisement to make a very successful shooter nowadays, unless it has some way of differentiating itself. (Platforming in Uncharted, rpg elements in borderlands, zombie horde Surivival in Left 4 Dead)

 

As for the E3 news, this thread is about, its really dissappointing that the xbox's main focus no longer seems to be games. I really want to buy one for halo 4 and witcher 2 since my pc can't handle that game well, but if they decide to force extra services into xbox live gold along with another live price increase, I may have to reconsider. 

I like this post. Sony should think about creating a successful RPG/JRPG/ or something that's not like ME and skyrim.



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i hope they show new cnsole, i want to start to think about what will be my next console


LMAO!!!!



Also for people saying Sony cares about gaming about as much as MS.....no they care more. Just because they are both companies doesn't mean they have the same goals. Sony has an extensive Dev community. Look at Journey, Unfinished Swan. They are both made by third parties taking help from Sony Santa Monica studios. Sony has done similar stuff for infamous, LBP, Uncharted etc etc. When it comes to gaming Sony has an amazing approach, something MS definitely doesn't have.

Sony could have tried to make Sorcery kiddish. But they didn't, look at it, it's been two years since reveal at E3 and the fact that a mere Move title was allowed dev time of that length is an amazement in itself. Remember what happened to Milo?

You could try and say, "oh, it's all because Sony just sucks at business" or whatever, but the fact is baby, they are different. They have been relatively games and gamer friendly this gen compared to MS, who starting with releasing consoles with known reliability issues and XBL gold sub, and ending with a motion control device that makes games less complex, increasing gold sub costs and reducing the no. of exclusives that they actually used to deliver.

There are lots of other stuff, like for eg Ensemble being no more, XBL dashboard, advertisements even when you pay for the sub, blah blah blah.

I will stop here, thank you very much. I realize that this might have not been related to the thread, but I would rather say it when there's been a discussion relating to it.