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Sure.

It will focus on Halo4, few other new games, then it will start to focus on neXtBox. See, this is where the reveal comes with and since it has some time, it won't focus on games but maybe a montage of future titles. Realistically, it will focus on Win8 (PC and mobile), future of Live on those devices and how MS is moving forward as neXtBox becomes their version of a perfect media console/PC on the TV.

Basically, if you take Apple iTV or GoogleTV with their respective iOS/Android on TV scenario.... full apps and media content/internet and then combine that with a new game focused console...you get what all future consoles are striving to become.

Services will be as important as the games on these devices. That's also why Wii U is gaining rumors of Android support and it makes sense.

So this quote is perfectly logical. MS may focus on services to come with their new product, some of which will likely be on 360 with the fall update OR simply on a new console this holiday. :) See how I threw that in there Jay.



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crissindahouse said:
Kynes said:
crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No. Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

japanese just don't buy foreign products if they can buy the same quaility from a japanese company, that's it...the whole japanese car market is 95% japanese cars, don't tell me the other companies of the whole world don't build good cars. and if they would have a big shoe company like nike or adidas, they wouldn't buy adidas and nike anymore.

there are a few exceptions, but only a few...


Mizuno?

i meant worldwide successful. and if they buy only this mizuno and nothing else it would even worse than i thought^^

Mizuno is worldwide successful, top golfers use their clubs, and they make great running shoes, but it isn't the top brand by market share in Japan, Asics (also japanese) is.

Between Asics (1st brand in market share in Japan) and Mizuno (4th in marketshare) the Japanese brands have a big slice of the pie.



Millenium said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Millenium said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No.

Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it.

You do realize Sony has been trailing Microsoft in this regard or over 7 years now right?

The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

 

Uh, no. Sony just like Microsft gives a damn about money, they're just worse at holding onto that money, also LMAO at your cultural remark, is that the best you can do? How about this one: Sony failed to hang onto the Americans, they're that BAD!!!


seriously...

 




1. No Sony has not been trailing Microsoft in that regard. In terms of multimedia Sony was still ahead. Xbox Live was the superior OS at one point if that is what you're saying. Sales don't always equate to quality. Microsofts added apps after Sony did but made them a large part of the deal than Sony ever cared to. Blu Ray movies are superior to normal DVD's and thanks to Sony its now affordable in your house even if you went for the stand alone.

2. Sony gives a damn about money just like Microsoft just like any company should, but Sony became a great gaming company the second they touched the gaming industry by giving a damn about gaming and creating diverse experiences. Halo saved Microsofts skin in the gaming industry and Microsoft knows this. Imagine...one game which was meant for the Apple computer could revolutionize console gaming. Sony never failed to hang onto Americans because its still selling rather well in America. Americans are no strongers to large commercialization and monopolistic companies. You see whoever shouts the loudest can win at anything in America. Kinect acted like they revolutionized gaming and had crowds of people, while Sony did the same thing last gen and recieved no such reception because of shitty marketing. Microsoft understands how to exist in the gaming realm now and it doesn't have to include gamers to exist. Focus on payment plans and cellphone methodology is huge in America right now and because America is the strongest market it will dictate the pace for everything else.

1: Yes, they HAVE been trailign Microsoft in that regard, it is indisputable, PSN has been playing catch up ever since XBL launched, and it is only now finally starting to get close.

1A: "Microsofts added apps after Sony did but made them a large part of the deal than Sony ever cared to" == Superior Quality to Sony's Apps && Sony did not care about the consumer enough to focus on this! Thanks for readily admitting it, makes this so much easier.

1B: "Blu Ray movies are superior to normal DVD's and thanks to Sony its now affordable in your house even if you went for the stand alone." ==

"Blu Ray movies are superior to normal DVD's and thanks to:

  it's now affordable in your house even if you went for the stand alone." <--- There, I added in the other 18 Companies you convienently forgot to include.

2A: "Halo saved Microsofts skin in the gaming industry and Microsoft knows this. Imagine...one game which was meant for the Apple computer could revolutionize console gaming.

Yes, and Microsoft WAS smart enough to invest into that game, instead of becoming a company desperate to make a "Halo Killer!!!" for the following 6 years.

Oh and you forgot the fairly sizable list of IP's Microsoft has/had, as well as the 100's of millions of copies of software being sold to the platform that AREN'T Halo.

2B: Sony never failed to hang onto Americans because its still selling rather well in America" == Sony did so Abysmal they went from a easy first position to a large third position in the market in just one generation.

But really, feel free to keep on trolling Microsoft in every thread you see instead of just NOT trolling for ONCE, I expect no different from you.


1.Wow....name all those companies, but guess who took the financial hit and dropped the price of Blu Ray tech so all those comapnies could enjoy their investment. SONY! Early Adapters of the PS3 bought the PS3 for gaming and its vastly superior multimedia experience in the beginning of the gen.

2. Sony only did abysmal because Microsoft offered themselves up to gamers as the cheaper alternative to Sony by gathering the third parties synonymous with Sony. With that being accomplished all that stood between Microsoft and Sony was first and second party exclusives and online offerings. Microsoft isn't a stupid company. They may not be great at making games, but they can easily dominate this industry. They just needed one IP and third party could do the rest, just like last gen. The only difference between this gen is last gen is Microsoft left the most of the development exclusives to third parties instead of doing it themselves. They know exclusives don't matter unless it achieves high commercial success. They don't make games for the quality but rather purely for profit.  As I said before, they bet on a winner with Halo because I am sure Steve Jobs is still rolling in his grave over the loss of Halo to Microsoft.



crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No. Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

japanese just don't buy foreign products if they can buy the same quaility from a japanese company, that's it...the whole japanese car market is 95% japanese cars, don't tell me the other companies of the whole world don't build good cars. and if they would have a big shoe company like nike or adidas, they wouldn't buy adidas and nike anymore.

there are a few exceptions, but only a few...


Theres no reason for the Japanese to buy outsider things if they are copies or too similar to their own. Show them something they dont have and they'll buy it. It keeps their economy pumping. Giving money to the Japanese doesn't help the American or European cause outside of taxing.



Kynes said:
crissindahouse said:
Kynes said:
crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No. Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

japanese just don't buy foreign products if they can buy the same quaility from a japanese company, that's it...the whole japanese car market is 95% japanese cars, don't tell me the other companies of the whole world don't build good cars. and if they would have a big shoe company like nike or adidas, they wouldn't buy adidas and nike anymore.

there are a few exceptions, but only a few...


Mizuno?

i meant worldwide successful. and if they buy only this mizuno and nothing else it would even worse than i thought^^

Mizuno is worldwide successful, top golfers use their clubs, and they make great running shoes, but it isn't the top brand by market share in Japan, Asics (also japanese) is.

Between Asics (1st brand in market share in Japan) and Mizuno (4th in marketshare) the Japanese brands have a big slice of the pie.

yes golf clubs and stuff like this. and maybe they make shoes as well but i have never heard about mizuno shoes. and please don't say me mizuno is comparable to nike or adidas if it comes to worldwide success for shoes^^ and like i said, there are a few exception but no one can deny that one of the reasons japanese don't buy the xbox is that they like to buy their own stuff. for some games, they buy 100k playstations like the for game which came out few months ago (no clue about the name). if microsoft would have exactly this game exclusive, mabye 1/50 of japanese would buy the xbox who bought the playsation for that game.

and it's not only japan, but i believe japan is extreme in these things. we germans like to buy german cars as well, it's just normal.



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Microsoft doesn't care it they "lose E3". They already got millions of people buying 360s and Kinect so they're good. They're set for the rest of this gen. No need to pump out more core exclusives when your fanbase isn't asking for them.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
crissindahouse said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hapimeses said:

If Microsoft have no significant games for E3, then they've already lost it. Extra services, almost all certainly tied to a Gold account so they can 'monetize' us, are about as attractive to me as a Ballmer forcing a 360 down my throat, that manic expression of his leering down at me as he squeezes it in.

I need new games, Microsoft. Justify my ownership of your console, please.


No. Microsoft knows they don't need to impress gamers to win. In order to win own the casual home. Their plan was always to take over the gamers home with multimedia ever since they saw Sony do it. The difference between Sony and Microsoft is Sony gives a damn about gaming and are actually good at it. Microsoft couldn't fool the Japanese into caring about them, but Americans..thats a different story.

japanese just don't buy foreign products if they can buy the same quaility from a japanese company, that's it...the whole japanese car market is 95% japanese cars, don't tell me the other companies of the whole world don't build good cars. and if they would have a big shoe company like nike or adidas, they wouldn't buy adidas and nike anymore.

there are a few exceptions, but only a few...


Theres no reason for the Japanese to buy outsider things if they are copies or too similar to their own. Show them something they dont have and they'll buy it. It keeps their economy pumping. Giving money to the Japanese doesn't help the American or European cause outside of taxing.

aha, so they don't buy it if it's too similiar to their own product? didn't i say exactly the same? they don't buy foreign products if they have something similiar from japanese companies. thx for reposting my post.


but still, they wouldn't buy as much xbox consoles as playstations with the same exclusives (llike this game from few months ago)



its good business sense after all and ultimately that's what matters



@S.T.A.G.E

The Japanese are very Nationalistic when it comes to domestic goods versus imported goods. That isn't to say that it is totally unwarranted. Their economy is heavily dependent on manufacturing, and with little in the way of natural resources, or abundant agricultural land. They have a very real interest in supporting their local manufacturers. So to say that doesn't play a role is laughable. Especially when their economy is in a recession. So there is a perception that is self serving at play.

That said as far as game development is concerned it has become a double edged sword. The Nationalistic buying pattern had resulted up to this generation in a negative loop. Japanese developers having a captive market did not feel pressure to adopt more efficient practices. Which has resulted in decreased market share. While the more open markets in the West saw more innovation, and a greater increase in efficiency. So yes the Japanese loved many of their obviously better local development studios to death. They weren't better a lot of them just got real complacent, and real soft.

Which is exactly what happened to the American auto industry. So in the long run the Japanese aren't doing their domestic developers any real favors by favoring them. They should keep a more open mind so that industry can grow strong through competition. Insular thinking is a dangerous mindset, and it can be blinding. Anyway yes this is a case of Nationalism impacting sales, but to be equally fair Nationalism impacts sales of different things all around the world.

Were you to throw down a couple steaks in front of me one from Omaha, and the other from Argentina. Even if the steak from Argentina was cheaper. I would still buy the steak from Omaha. As an American perhaps I have an unfair view of agribusiness in other countries. Though it is strange that I should have so much trust given all of the recalls I hear about every year. Then again maybe I should have more, because of exactly that.

Anyway if you don't think Nationalism plays a role in what products the Japanese buy when it is a major export business they take some pride in. Then I guess you don't think the Swiss pride themselves on their chocolate, or the Germans don't take pride in their beer. Really is is kind of absurd to think it doesn't play a major role.



enrageorange said:
Panama said:
The problem is that the consumer gives them no reason to release retail exclusives. The 360 usually dominates sales charts in the USA with what tends to be a purely third party retail lineup for the last 4 years. It's the consumer's fault for having such low standards if anything, not Microsoft's.

It's actually very much sony's fault. With all things equal, the 360 is the console to get simply because it's the more popular console, and so getting means you have more friends to lend you games and to play online with. Sony came to the race very late, and tried to pass the leader by copying its every move. The wii was able to easily pass it by coming up with a different game plan.

I am talking strictly USA in the following paragraph.

Sony hasn't been able to differentiate themselves from xbox, and hence they have struggled against them. Other than Uncharted and God of War, the US fanbase has shown no interest in any recent exclusives and that goes for even ps3 owners. They are just buying CoD, Madden, NBA, and Assassins Creed, with a little skyrim and battlefield 3 to spruce things up last year. Basically the exact same games 360 owners buy, except replace Uncharted and God of War with the much more popular Gears of War and Halo(again strictl yUSA). So tell me again why people should be flocking over to the PS3? The only reasonable arguement is because online gaming is free, and I think its a very big one, sony just screwed themselves because the people who care about online gaming want to play with their friends who happen to most likely have 360s.

The 360 is approaching market saturation in America. Sony just needs to make more imaginative games to convince 360 owners to suppliment their console with a ps3. Killzone, resistance, and infamous sequels won't help. Sony needs big  immaginative games that won't compete with a multiplatform behemoth. LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 5, and Gran Turismo 5 are good examples of games in genres with little competition that a sony exclusive was able to dominate. They do not need some shooter or sandbox game that has no chance to compete with CoD and GTA. Microsoft is very lucky that Gears of War and Halo got big before Call of Duty got big and so those two games can still sell well. Sony is sheer out of luck in that respect. It would take far too much effort and advertisement to make a very successful shooter nowadays, unless it has some way of differentiating itself. (Platforming in Uncharted, rpg elements in borderlands, zombie horde Surivival in Left 4 Dead)

 

As for the E3 news, this thread is about, its really dissappointing that the xbox's main focus no longer seems to be games. I really want to buy one for halo 4 and witcher 2 since my pc can't handle that game well, but if they decide to force extra services into xbox live gold along with another live price increase, I may have to reconsider. 

he never mentioned the ps3 in his point, his point was only about consumers giving ms little incentive to produce more games