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Seriously? I've been saying EVERYTHING in this for years, and whenever I bring it up (whether I'm being blunt or sensitive about it), I'm met with inconsolable ire. Every single point he brings up is one I use regularly to explain why faith is irrational, and since HE'S famous, he's the credible one and I'm just some mindless, inflammatory hater.

I don't get this world.



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Omega_Phazon_Pirate. said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:

99% of believers spent more time choosing their college major than choosing their religion. Baffling!

You believe in something that is going to change your life for good yet you hardly know anything about religions, or at least, your own bloody religion. You are either really lazy or plain stupid.

Good read OP, thanks!

I'm kind of curious as to where you pulled that number from.  I can tell you personally, that it only took me a few seconds, to decide to go into electrical engineering for university ;).

His ass by the smell of things.



What about those that say they've seen proof?

The ultimate problem with religion vs. atheism is empiricism. If you believe that everything must be empirical, then by all means, its impossible to prove gods or a God exists.

But if you don't believe that everything is ultimately empirical, it gives you the case for the possibility of the supernatural which is, by definition the antithesis of empiricism since you cannot validate it through scientific means.

If people like Gervais would one day look into the possibility of an irrational, non-empirical entity that defies the scientific method, you may be surprised. Those that hold to the Christian faith do not do so entirely out of pure blindness. There are people that have seen things - supernatural things - that are far and away from explanation or rationalization, but are certain they happen. Are any of these Christians nuts? Absolutely. Are all of them nuts? No. I know what I've seen and experienced in my life, and some of it defies logic and empiricism, but it still happened. That is why I will hold to what I believe irregardless of what Gervais and others believe. I won't reserve vitriol for them, I will respect what they want to believe in their own minds.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

pezus said:
mrstickball said:
What about those that say they've seen proof?

The ultimate problem with religion vs. atheism is empiricism. If you believe that everything must be empirical, then by all means, its impossible to prove gods or a God exists.

But if you don't believe that everything is ultimately empirical, it gives you the case for the possibility of the supernatural which is, by definition the antithesis of empiricism since you cannot validate it through scientific means.

If people like Gervais would one day look into the possibility of an irrational, non-empirical entity that defies the scientific method, you may be surprised. Those that hold to the Christian faith do not do so entirely out of pure blindness. There are people that have seen things - supernatural things - that are far and away from explanation or rationalization, but are certain they happen. Are any of these Christians nuts? Absolutely. Are all of them nuts? No. I know what I've seen and experienced in my life, and some of it defies logic and empiricism, but it still happened. That is why I will hold to what I believe irregardless of what Gervais and others believe. I won't reserve vitriol for them, I will respect what they want to believe in their own minds.

What did you see that defies logic?


Instantaneous healing of medically-verifiable broken bones, precognition, physical/visual phenomena, other types of healings, ect. I'd have to think a bit to come up with an exhaustive list of things I've personally seen.

If I expanded the list to family who wouldn't BS, that list to expand significantly to include things like the ability to spontaneously write in ancient languages with perfect prose, spontaneously talk in other languages unknown to speaker, shapeshifting,  demonic possessions (far beyond possible psycological diagnosis), prophecy, and so on.

Over the years, if you're in the right circles, you hear and see a lot, and I mean a lot of things inside or outside of specific kinds of churches. I try to throw out the things that are likely to happen naturally (e.g. "God saved me from a wreck because I clipped an extra coupon before I got into the car").

Then you have all the instances of people that have documented, at least among their family, impossible things to happen naturally such as the case of Todd Burpo. I am not saying his claim is absolutely real, but if it indeed is - and only his family knows - then even the first half of his story is far beyond the realm of what science or empiricism can explain.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I am a God fearing, Jesus loving man.
And I approve of this article.
This is an honest thought from someone who doesn't believe in God. I respect that, and I loved how he ended the article.



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mrstickball said:
What about those that say they've seen proof?

The ultimate problem with religion vs. atheism is empiricism. If you believe that everything must be empirical, then by all means, its impossible to prove gods or a God exists.

But if you don't believe that everything is ultimately empirical, it gives you the case for the possibility of the supernatural which is, by definition the antithesis of empiricism since you cannot validate it through scientific means.

If people like Gervais would one day look into the possibility of an irrational, non-empirical entity that defies the scientific method, you may be surprised. Those that hold to the Christian faith do not do so entirely out of pure blindness. There are people that have seen things - supernatural things - that are far and away from explanation or rationalization, but are certain they happen. Are any of these Christians nuts? Absolutely. Are all of them nuts? No. I know what I've seen and experienced in my life, and some of it defies logic and empiricism, but it still happened. That is why I will hold to what I believe irregardless of what Gervais and others believe. I won't reserve vitriol for them, I will respect what they want to believe in their own minds.

Very well said man.

Also I'd like to say that it would take more faith for me not to believe in God then it does to believe in him. I started going to this church where they have a 20 week series called What Christians Believe About. And it truly is an excellent series since it helps answer a lot of the questions that non-believers may have and it's strengthened my faith by a lot.

I really do recommend that everyone watch them (their video player won't work in Chrome but it works in Firefox) because they are very interesting.

http://www.crossing-church.com/#/watchlisten



Nsanity said:
Omega_Phazon_Pirate. said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:

99% of believers spent more time choosing their college major than choosing their religion. Baffling!

You believe in something that is going to change your life for good yet you hardly know anything about religions, or at least, your own bloody religion. You are either really lazy or plain stupid.

Good read OP, thanks!

I'm kind of curious as to where you pulled that number from.  I can tell you personally, that it only took me a few seconds, to decide to go into electrical engineering for university ;).

His ass by the smell of things.

Like I said, it's an over exaggeration on my part, but really, How many people do you meet who are a different religion to their family? religion is geographical for the most part.



mrstickball said:
pezus said:
mrstickball said:
What about those that say they've seen proof?

The ultimate problem with religion vs. atheism is empiricism. If you believe that everything must be empirical, then by all means, its impossible to prove gods or a God exists.

But if you don't believe that everything is ultimately empirical, it gives you the case for the possibility of the supernatural which is, by definition the antithesis of empiricism since you cannot validate it through scientific means.

If people like Gervais would one day look into the possibility of an irrational, non-empirical entity that defies the scientific method, you may be surprised. Those that hold to the Christian faith do not do so entirely out of pure blindness. There are people that have seen things - supernatural things - that are far and away from explanation or rationalization, but are certain they happen. Are any of these Christians nuts? Absolutely. Are all of them nuts? No. I know what I've seen and experienced in my life, and some of it defies logic and empiricism, but it still happened. That is why I will hold to what I believe irregardless of what Gervais and others believe. I won't reserve vitriol for them, I will respect what they want to believe in their own minds.

What did you see that defies logic?


Instantaneous healing of medically-verifiable broken bones, precognition, physical/visual phenomena, other types of healings, ect. I'd have to think a bit to come up with an exhaustive list of things I've personally seen.

If I expanded the list to family who wouldn't BS, that list to expand significantly to include things like the ability to spontaneously write in ancient languages with perfect prose, spontaneously talk in other languages unknown to speaker, shapeshifting,  demonic possessions (far beyond possible psycological diagnosis), prophecy, and so on.

Over the years, if you're in the right circles, you hear and see a lot, and I mean a lot of things inside or outside of specific kinds of churches. I try to throw out the things that are likely to happen naturally (e.g. "God saved me from a wreck because I clipped an extra coupon before I got into the car").

Then you have all the instances of people that have documented, at least among their family, impossible things to happen naturally such as the case of Todd Burpo. I am not saying his claim is absolutely real, but if it indeed is - and only his family knows - then even the first half of his story is far beyond the realm of what science or empiricism can explain.


I know Muslims who claim they have seen "proof", I am pretty sure If I lived in a jewish country around jewish people I'll also meet people who have seen it.

I am not saying you guys didn't see it but this brings up many points but I'll just ask this,  all religions can be true because their followers have seeen the proof, which one I am supposed to follow? "Impossible things" happen not to Christians only, how can you imply that they happened to you because you you are on the right path?

edit:

And to make my point clearer, we have a very well-respected member on this site who is a Muslim who says his religion was reinforced when he witnessed a demonic possession and exorcism of a loved one. He told the story multiple times on this site, so I'll refrain from mentioning his name. The point is unnatural things (or coincidences?) happen to some people. However, even if we assume they are clues to God existence, they don't indicate which religion is true.





Im not religious, and dont have a problem with people who are. The key word here is "Tolerence" you cant get away from the fact that over the years religion has spawned massed murder and bloodshed on a grand scale :(