You know, sometimes I feel sorry for some of these people. Blinded by their own incompetence.
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Its defective hardware.
Pay online that does not work.
No big exclusives on the horizon.
Getting out sold by more expensive console with no killer aps out yet.
Yahh its in trouble to say the least, MS had a huge chance this gen but their blew it with their incompetence.
Lord N said:
Damn right. Honestly, this argument about PS2 software backwards compatibility is petty and pathetic. There have yet to be any serious complaints from the hardcore or casual EU community or from 80GB PS3 owners regarding BC, and Sony has been using software BC for the PS1 since the Slim was released in 2004, so what makes you think they can't do it for PS2 BC? As far as MS obtaining profitability with the 360, I wouldn't say it's anymore likely than Sony obtaining it with the PS3. MS may have had a profitable quarter, but that was most likely due to Halo 3. They also had a profitable quarter during the launch of Halo 2. MS may be making a profit on hardware(for the Premium anyway), but that doesn't factor in shipping, packing, storage, distribution, etc. There's also the fact that MS spends more money on advertising than both Sony AND Nintendo, and they also spend a lot more money buying exclusive content, titles, paying developers, etc. MS simply hasn't brought along enough money to cover their expenses, nor have they gotten a return on the money they've paid to developers. All the 360 has really done from that standpoint is to make money for third-party devs, not MS.
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Actually, it's a huge point. I have a 360, yet still keep my Xbox around because of titles I love and can't play on my 360. If you are going to do BC, either do it 100 percent or not at all. End of discussion.
And MS isn't making money off the 360 yet? How do you figure that? With MS going nearly 2 years with just one price cut, even with the RROD drama, they are making loot. They made loot the quarter before lastr - and they are going to make it this past quarter as well. Sony, in order to make it a contest, had to roll out 4 skus, 2 price cuts and tout their console as the cheapiest Blu Ray player on the market. And guess what, class? That was in the console's first year1
For folks dreaming of the continutation of the PS2's domination, you need to get the doctor to prescribe you some more potent mental meds. The 360 is over 7 million up on the PS3, the 360 isn't losing money, and even with Sony's huge loss price cuts, the 360 is barely getting beat.
EliteStance said:
But why were they buying more PS3s than 360s are presents?
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It's the cheapiest Blu Ray player on the market. Forget the fact most folks don't know what a Blu Ray disc is ... but they see HD and want to get it.
Based on my experience with HD, I wouldn't recommend anyone buying into it unless you really just wanna waste money on a slightly sharper image unless you get a very sweet deal.
BLOODLINEZ said:
I agree. I love my 360 and all but I am already seeing limitations to what the actual system itself can do. Hell... even the new update made consoles slower. Everything has to load now. They did use up their best games. They have some good ones coming out but the rest are just old PC games. The hardware in the PS3 is crazy good and people are just starting to tap into its capabilities as a system. |
I think folks *may* tap into the PS3's potential, but I'll put the good money on believing devs will see no real need to even go there. If you can get paid doing one job with lil effort vs. doing another job with a much greater effort, I would bet you'd pick the job with lil effort. Especially, when you realize the job with lil effort pays you the same and your rate of return is much, much larger vs. the other job. Devs and publishers could care less about which console has the better attach rate. They want to see the bottom line - how many games are moving ... and that's it.
Yeah, some devs will focus more and more on the PS3 and develop for it, but if they can get paid on the 360, they know the system, then the 360 will get the better ports of games. That's not fanboyism ... that's just common sense.
Funnily enough I think that the recent Live downtime is probably more what you could class 'in trouble' than anything else.
360 is doing okay - although I don't think they made enough of their head start over Sony and Nintendo, nor do I think they are selling to a broad enough demographic, and yes sales are too skewed to US.
Does that mean its it trouble right now? No. If left unchecked could those factors start to hurt from mid 2008 onwards? Maybe.
There is one way 360 is in trouble, and it's the same way Sony is in trouble... and its that right now Nintendo are so far ahead as to be almost unbelievable - they have the fastest selling console which will soon (looking at trends) be wracking up the most software sales, they have best selling handheld with best selling software, they are profitable, they have best price point and they are selling to the broadest audience.
So yes, if you factor in Nintendo's success in last 12 months and winning of holiday period sales, 360 is in trouble... if MS hoped to have a chance of finishing with best selling console this generation, cause that hope is IMO squashed already.
| darendt said: mred said: "BINGO! And only the most diehard Sony fanboys could even conceive of this happening. At best Sony will catch up in late 2009, but by then there's a good chance people will be talking about the XBox 720 launch in 2010." This proves every PS3 fans point. The 360 will see a replacement long before the PS3. I would say 2010 at the latest. Based on the PS3 hardware, I would say the PS3 will outlast the 360 by at least 3-4 years. Even if we see a new PS in 2012, the PS3 will still be selling another 4-5 years later. I highly doubt M$ will be selling the 360 after they kill it. So again, Sony will make more money on the PS3 and sell far more units over its lifespan. |
You know, I could have seen this post in 2004, 2005, but not know. Have you seen the sales chart? The PS3 is flat out getting thumped by the 360. It's 7 million behind and only chipping away at the lead. It's like trying to move a beach using a plastic spoon. You can do it, but it will take you forever to accomplish it.
Another things folks fail to realize is - yeah, the PS3 has the faster sales than the 360's first year, but are folks expecting the same 360 customers to buy a PS3? What reasons do folks have to buy a PS3 over a 360? With similar lineups, plus several exclusives (Bioshock, Mass Effect) vs. the PS3 exclusives (Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted), the systems will sell because of hot exclusives. Right now, the 360 is winning that battle.
And why would MS roll out another Xbox? You are getting their trojan horse entry into the video game race confused with the 360. There's no pending video card lawsuit - it's not playing catchup with the dominating PS2 - it's not fighting for system-selling exclusives - it's out first, with a 7 million lead and currently selling a grip of software. And to ax it - just because the original Xbox failed? ROTFL.
Delusional is a good word to describe folks who believe MS will fail with the 360.
dang i this is new i am used to only seeing the Wii is doomed threads not the 360
| mesoteto said: dang i this is new i am used to only seeing the Wii is doomed threads not the 360 |
What I find to be funny is - to think a console can make a 7 million plus comeback takes the willing suspension of disbelief. If it's the Wii, yeah, but a $400 console overcoming an MS creation - and MS knows domination - I need the kind of drugs these guys are taking.
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