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Are humans the leading factor in our changing climate?

Of course we are. 73 55.30%
 
Probably. 17 12.88%
 
Probably not. 12 9.09%
 
Absolutely not. 23 17.42%
 
I have no idea. 6 4.55%
 
I wanna change apms climate ;) 1 0.76%
 
Total:132
killerzX said:

i dont think you fully appreciate or understand that gravity of what you are sayin with this statement. if you did you would not be saying it.

 

as for the first part, i am entitled to what ever i buy and want to use. im not entitled to other peoples property, nor are other people entitled to tell me how to lead my life. if i want to drive a truck that gets 18 mpg because it is the car i can afford and the car i want. then i should be able to drive it. if i want to buy normal inorganic food, because it tastes good, and is significantly cheaper than organic food, then i should be able to buy it. if i want to use plastic bags because it is easier more convienient, and i am repulsed by the idea of reusing an "organic" bag over and over because of the germs then i should use plastic. if i want to buy a 4000 sq ft home because i plan on having a family (i know thats fround upon in the climate change community), then i should be able to own it. i am entitled to buy with my own money the products that i want. other people should not be entitled to my property in the name of carbon credits and climate change.

And this is the problem with a majority of the people on your half. You don't even understand what's at stake.

Nobody is trying to take anything away from you. It is the politicians under lobbyist sway that have convinced you that it isn't companies who are being regulated, it's you! This is not the case at all! It goes the same for taxes. I can't remember how many times I heard average people saying, "Oburmer wants to tax us out of our livelihood", when he called for tax on businesses that make over 250,000$, and give tax BREAKS to individuals under, what 75k? No party has ever done such a good job at convincing people to vote against their own interests time and time again.

Green tech would change your 18mpg truck to 30mpg through efficient means, the money saved on gas alone saves you much more money, that youc an use to buy other things!

I remember the first thing the house and senate did after reps took majority. They cut taxes to the top 10%. Meanwhile, I remember the entire campaigns and the tea party all being like "government is trying to redistribute my wealth". They never did give you a tax cut. Did they. Notice that was not a question.



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Guys, can you please trim your bushes? (quote-trees)



http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite

However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far."

...

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.



Kynes said:
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite

However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far."

...

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

"Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared."



killerzX said:

if i want to use plastic bags because it is easier more convienient, and i am repulsed by the idea of reusing an "organic" bag over and over because of the germs then i should use plastic

Alright, I tried to avoid quoting you directly for various reasons, but I couldn't ignore this (in my own opinion, rather stupid) comment. While I won't detract from the idea grabbing 20 new 'single-use' bags everytime you go to the supermarket etc (personally I find grabbing my reuseable ones on my way out just as convienent) what germs are you expect to foster on your plastic bags? 

Seeing as the vast majority of food comes pre-packed, none of it is coming into contact with your carrier bags their is nothing on/in them to go mouldy and allow germs to grow to the extent that it would severely impact you. Seeing as plastic doesn't biodegrable quickly or very effectivey, what other germs are you expecting to find on them other than your own that could repulse you so much?



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I'll quote dr3b again in case anyone missed his post:
" The billions of tons in pollutants we create are unnatural and are bound to have adverse effects."
Read, rince, repeat.



theprof00 said:
Kynes said:
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite

However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far."

...

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

"Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared."

This is the magic of manmade global warming. Officialists can move their goalpost whenever we want, if you don't believe it, you are worse than a criminal and want to destroy the world.



happydolphin said:
I'll quote dr3b again in case anyone missed his post:
" The billions of tons in pollutants we create are unnatural and are bound to have adverse effects."
Read, rince, repeat.


Repeat with me, CO2 is not a pollutant.



Repeat with me, CO2 is not the only chemical we are releasing.



Isn't CO2 the most important greenhouse gas, the one which is going to fry me? That's what Al Gore told me.

 

PS: What are we talking about here, global warning or pollutants? AFAIK CO2, CH4, H20 and all the other greenhouse gases are completely natural. Even SO2 or NO also are natural. Cows produce tons of CH4 each year, and CH4 is much more important in greenhouse effect than CO2. What's next, are we going to exterminate cows to reduce the greenhouse emission? Are we going to have CH4 bounds as the Kioto CO2 stock market?