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Are humans the leading factor in our changing climate?

Of course we are. 73 55.30%
 
Probably. 17 12.88%
 
Probably not. 12 9.09%
 
Absolutely not. 23 17.42%
 
I have no idea. 6 4.55%
 
I wanna change apms climate ;) 1 0.76%
 
Total:132

man made global warming is a scam by corporations. its all about obfuscation and creating political deadlock. they dont want people focusing on real environmental problems, so create imaginary shit for people do deal with....like buying into oil companies grossly expensive "alternative energy" projects. theyve created mindless drones out of their very enemies and are laughing all the way to the bank.



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Rath said:
That's only oil sands, there's a lot of conventional oil out there still too. I'm not saying we're going to run out straight away - just that we're going to start having less than before. With the current rate of oil discovery compared to the current rate of oil consumption it simply isn't sustainable forever. Peak oil doesn't mean all oil is going to stop, it just means it will slowly wind down.


On top of that, the main issue isn't how much oil there is left in the ground. When peak oil is reached, by definition at least half the available resources will still be there. The issue is that production cannot keep up with demand, thus the price keeps going up. One major problem with this isn't just the cost of fuel; petrochemicals are used in pretty much every industrial process today. So as the price of oil goes up, so does the price of everything due to increased material, manufacturing and transportation costs. This includes food.

One knock-on effect is that the price of construction alternative energy needs to be bootstrapped by using existing, oil-dependent processes. So waiting for the worst-case to develop inevitable alternatives is just making the situation much harder to overcome when it comes to crunch time, with a ton of unneeded pollution alonge the way.



killerzX said:
global warming is the biggest hoax of our lifetime. just 30-40 years ago, the were talking about us going into another ice age. the years will go on a people will realize how much of a scam it is.

remember the green movement is really RED. its communist, its all about redistributing wealth.

the earths climate has been changing since it was made, theres nothing diferent going on. we are safe.


Pretty much this.

Too many people benefit from the propagation of the myth of global warming in order for them to be taken seriously. Along with global warming comes the "need" for green energy and the "need" to study climate chnage. I don't know about you guys but spending all of my time studying a fictitious meteological phenomenon and clamoring for solar panels every where sounds like a pretty easy and sweet gig job wise ... not to mention well payed since government (which can tax as much as it wants and print as much money as it wants) is footing the bill. 

If humans actually have an impact on climate then it is probably an incredibly minor and superficial one that can not be noticed until maybe a thousand or so years from now, but I am skeptical of even this. The Earth goes through natural cooling and warming phases regardless of what humans do.

I am familiar with what you said about a scare over an ice age back in like the 1970s, and the funny thing is that I think it was the right that was mostly pushing it lol. So now that we have had global warming and cooling panics they will have to get really creative with their next big lie.



Humans are effecting the environment some. I think like 1% or so of the carbon dioxide is released by us. So in other word we are helping, but not by very much. I think that we are overrating but at the same time its good, since while we don't really effect the environment enough for it to matter yet, that could easily change within a 100 years or so. Good that we start to care before its too late.



DarthVolod said:
killerzX said:
global warming is the biggest hoax of our lifetime. just 30-40 years ago, the were talking about us going into another ice age. the years will go on a people will realize how much of a scam it is.

remember the green movement is really RED. its communist, its all about redistributing wealth.

the earths climate has been changing since it was made, theres nothing diferent going on. we are safe.


Pretty much this.

Too many people benefit from the propagation of the myth of global warming in order for them to be taken seriously. Along with global warming comes the "need" for green energy and the "need" to study climate chnage. I don't know about you guys but spending all of my time studying a fictitious meteological phenomenon and clamoring for solar panels every where sounds like a pretty easy and sweet gig job wise ... not to mention well payed since government (which can tax as much as it wants and print as much money as it wants) is footing the bill. 

If humans actually have an impact on climate then it is probably an incredibly minor and superficial one that can not be noticed until maybe a thousand or so years from now, but I am skeptical of even this. The Earth goes through natural cooling and warming phases regardless of what humans do.

I am familiar with what you said about a scare over an ice age back in like the 1970s, and the funny thing is that I think it was the right that was mostly pushing it lol. So now that we have had global warming and cooling panics they will have to get really creative with their next big lie.


There's a lot of scientific peer-reviewed study on climate change, while climate models are imprecise (due to the vast amount of computation required) they generally suggest the same thing - the amount of carbon dioxide put into the air by humans is causing global climate changes including a rising average temperature. That you feel that it's somehow 'convenient' doesn't change what the scientific evidence suggests.

Your hypothesis that the impact of humans on climate change is 'superficial' is not backed up by the evidence.



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killerzX said:

that is a fictitious number, there are literaly thousands of scientists that disent from that opinion, and thousands of others, that disagree to but do not publicly say so out of fear of loosing their jobs.

guess what 30 years ago it was a "consensous" that we were headed for an ice age. where did that go.

and there has been scandal after scandal of scientist conspiring, lying, and massaging numbers, and falsely reporting numbers, that i really cant take anything they say seriously.

also, in order for us to fix and reverse course from the global warming they preach about, we would have to completely shut down our economy, revert back to pre-industrial revolution, kill 100's of millions of people, if not billions. we would have to go into a stone age to reverse course. so theres no point, we are all doomed, may as well make the best of it.

 

anyway, in 5, 10, 20, 50 years from now when the earth is still perfectly normal, and global warming still hasnt attacked us, we will all be laughing (at least i will) at this rediculous hysteria. but according to al gore we only have 3 years 276 days before the earth turns into a frying pan. we will see whos right.

If you haven't realised it yet you portray the exact extreme opposite of the scientists and politicians you despise. I really can't take anything you say seriously.



Rath said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, I'll see you in 8 years, when we are still using oil like today, and yet mysteriously still have more.

That's only oil sands, there's a lot of conventional oil out there still too. I'm not saying we're going to run out straight away - just that we're going to start having less than before. With the current rate of oil discovery compared to the current rate of oil consumption it simply isn't sustainable forever. Peak oil doesn't mean all oil is going to stop, it just means it will slowly wind down.

The only problem is a lot of this info comes from "proven" oil reserves, which isn't just oil reserves that are obtainable technologically (which it should be), it also takes into account politics.  Then there's the fact that the chart you posted is info from 2002.  A lot can change in 10 years.  Of course, they're also very pessimistic.  If you look at at the previous years, you'll see how greatly it fluctuates.  Some years there is barely any new oil discovered, while others there is a lot of newly discovered oil.  With new technology, one can never truly know how much oil we will discover in the future. 

Then you also have the topic of unconventional reserves, which are ones we know about, but would take longer to either obtain or refine.  With newer technology, however, these will become easier and cheaper to obtain and process.  Here's a chart to compare both proven and unproven/unconventional numbers.  Numbers are from 2002, as well, and are in billions of barrels.

Source



Rath said:
DarthVolod said:
killerzX said:
global warming is the biggest hoax of our lifetime. just 30-40 years ago, the were talking about us going into another ice age. the years will go on a people will realize how much of a scam it is.

remember the green movement is really RED. its communist, its all about redistributing wealth.

the earths climate has been changing since it was made, theres nothing diferent going on. we are safe.


Pretty much this.

Too many people benefit from the propagation of the myth of global warming in order for them to be taken seriously. Along with global warming comes the "need" for green energy and the "need" to study climate chnage. I don't know about you guys but spending all of my time studying a fictitious meteological phenomenon and clamoring for solar panels every where sounds like a pretty easy and sweet gig job wise ... not to mention well payed since government (which can tax as much as it wants and print as much money as it wants) is footing the bill. 

If humans actually have an impact on climate then it is probably an incredibly minor and superficial one that can not be noticed until maybe a thousand or so years from now, but I am skeptical of even this. The Earth goes through natural cooling and warming phases regardless of what humans do.

I am familiar with what you said about a scare over an ice age back in like the 1970s, and the funny thing is that I think it was the right that was mostly pushing it lol. So now that we have had global warming and cooling panics they will have to get really creative with their next big lie.


There's a lot of scientific peer-reviewed study on climate change, while climate models are imprecise (due to the vast amount of computation required) they generally suggest the same thing - the amount of carbon dioxide put into the air by humans is causing global climate changes including a rising average temperature. That you feel that it's somehow 'convenient' doesn't change what the scientific evidence suggests.

Your hypothesis that the impact of humans on climate change is 'superficial' is not backed up by the evidence.


We could go back and forth about how much of the scientific community supports climate change, and how much dissents. The fact that there are scientists dissenting fromt the theory in the numbers they are is rather telling when it is almost always in their financial and professional interest to support climate change theory even if they don't believe in it.

Playing devil's advocate though I can imagine that even if humans did have a significant impact on climate change there is really not much we can do about it. Countries like China are rapidly building up an infrastruction and an expansive manufacturing ecnonomy which puts out a massive amount of CO2 in the process all while while laughing at countries like America that shoot themselves in the foot with absurd regulations which kill industry while making them ever more reliant on foreign countries for basic goods.

Unless there is some sort of Orwellian all controlling world government put in place there is no way you are going to stop progress in every country. The good news for climate change supporters is that fossil fuels are finite so we will eventually have to find alternatives ... although I still believe there is a lot of coal around so that will be there for awhile.

 



Of course we are. That many emissions pumped into the atmosphere don't just disappear.



DarthVolod said:


We could go back and forth about how much of the scientific community supports climate change, and how much dissents. The fact that there are scientists dissenting fromt the theory in the numbers they are is rather telling when it is almost always in their financial and professional interest to support climate change theory even if they don't believe in it.

Playing devil's advocate though I can imagine that even if humans did have a significant impact on climate change there is really not much we can do about it. Countries like China are rapidly building up an infrastruction and an expansive manufacturing ecnonomy which puts out a massive amount of CO2 in the process all while while laughing at countries like America that shoot themselves in the foot with absurd regulations which kill industry while making them ever more reliant on foreign countries for basic goods.

Unless there is some sort of Orwellian all controlling world government put in place there is no way you are going to stop progress in every country. The good news for climate change supporters is that fossil fuels are finite so we will eventually have to find alternatives ... although I still believe there is a lot of coal around so that will be there for awhile.

 

What I find funny about man made Global Warming supporters is that, for the most part, they support people on the left, be they actors or politicians, because of there supposed passion about this subject and resolve to change things.  One has only to look at these peoples lifestyles to see that they don't truly believe what they are preaching about.  If they did, they would be dropping their own carbon footprint.  Instead they fly around on private jets.  Own multiple mansions that suck up electricity.  Own multiple expensive cars that are most likely horrible on gas mileage.  They're basically playing people for fools, asking you to change your lifestyle, persecute companies, while they continue to live lavishly.  And Al Gore is one of the worst offenders.