Nintendo needs to improve the graphics and art before release? | |||
| Yes, ALOT! | 88 | 27.24% | |
| Yes, kinda | 49 | 15.17% | |
| it's fine as it is | 90 | 27.86% | |
| Graphics, who cares? | 76 | 23.53% | |
| Sales are what matter, bring NSMB! | 20 | 6.19% | |
| Total: | 323 | ||
| happydolphin said: Lack of detail is fact, paint it however you will. |
But it's not because the game is rushed, but because Nintendo wants it to be that way. Just look at the New Super Mario Bros. Mii gameplay I provided. It is an HD-console and if Nintendo really wanted to brag they had all time in the world to put lots of detail into those maps but decided not to.
Seriously? One game for "true gamers" and one game for "mainstream"?
happydolphin said:
Tradition is not what is bothering me milky. It's the cheesyness of certain aspects, those I listed: 1) The Voice acting 2) The new storylines 3) The cinematics (when existent) 4) The backdrops and characters It's all from the new Mario and I really hate it. It smells 0 depth, and that's not something you do with your #1 franchises. To put it in d21's frame of mind, imagine if Beauty and the Beast or The Little Mermaid were stripped of their plot twists, stripped of the emotions they convey, stripped of the sheer artwork and effort, stripped of the glorious orchestrals, stripped of on and on and on and on, and you get, the New Mario... One game was fine, we all needed a new 2D Mario, I was excited for NSMB. But this is borderline capitalism, and I resent it. |
Of course it is. Nintendo is a public company and it's their responcibility to create as much capitalistic value as possible for their shareholders. Every other week I see articles about their Shareholders crying for Nintendo to port their big franchises to other consoles and smart phones.
^If that's the case, then I'm not giving them my buck. Seriously, I pay for games that are made to be good AND make money, not crippled due to the goal. The way and the means need to marry, and if they don't, then Nintendo just isn't the company for me.
I'm saying that for 2D Mario, but the same probably doesn't apply to other franchises this far. I'm still okay with Nintendo in general, Metroid Prime still rocks, Pikmin will be great. As long as it's just on one game for a specific reason, I'm okay. But 2D Mario fans must be pissed if it's getting bastardized. And yes, I'm a fan, but Nintendo is still satisfying me in general. A good revival of some of my favorite classics would be very well appreciated mind you.
@the-one. See my reply to Mario128.
Here's a question. What about Super Mario 3D Land?
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| happydolphin said: ^But it isn't what we know and love, that's the whole issue I have. And it really aggravates me that dedicated fans like D21 (who is on my 3DS friends list, we are friends I love his swapnotes) just don't get it. If NSMB2 ends up winning my heart regardless of the graphics, then all the power to Nintendo, but as it is, the way these pics show, it is not the Mario we know and love from our childhood, it is a new one ridden with cheesy storylines, cheesy voice acting, CHEESY art on backgrounds, cheesy cheesy cheesy, I (censored) hate it. |
3D Land, Galaxy, Luigi's Mansion, Mario 64, Sunshine, whatever new Mario game they come up with for the Wii U, etc.: Push graphics.
New Super Mario and Paper Mario (to a degree): Retro graphics
Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis and Mario Kart: Standard graphics
happydolphin said:
Tradition is not what is bothering me milky. It's the cheesyness of certain aspects, those I listed: 1) The Voice acting 2) The new storylines 3) The cinematics (when existent) 4) The backdrops and characters It's all from the new Mario and I really hate it. It smells 0 depth, and that's not something you do with your #1 franchises. To put it in d21's frame of mind, imagine if Beauty and the Beast or The Little Mermaid were stripped of their plot twists, stripped of the emotions they convey, stripped of the sheer artwork and effort, stripped of the glorious orchestrals, stripped of on and on and on and on, and you get, the New Mario... One game was fine, we all needed a new 2D Mario, I was excited for NSMB. But this is borderline capitalism, and I resent it. |
Are those poitns really that of an issue? , But just for asking, in what sense you mean 0 depth?
| Lord Ciansworth said: You see I think in order to understand Nintendo's direction with this game we have to understand the genesis of the New Super Mario Bros. series. When it was originally spawned on the DS in 2006 it was the first 2D side-scrolling Mario game since 1992's Super Mario Land 2. It's clear from the game's art direction that Nintendo considered the it to be something of an exercise in nostalgia. The game used simple shapes and colours, much like its NES and SNES predecessors, simply rendered with a decent resolution. The game was a tribute as much as it was a game in its own right. As we now know the game went on to be colossal success, and this is where Nintendo's problem starts. How can you justify radically changing any game feature in a series whose previous two entries have sold in excess of 25 million units globally? Who would sign off on that? You'd have to be downright crazy. This is the same problem that COD has. The designers look at the game, its style, its content, its gameplay and know that any radical change to these elements risks destroying the delicate balance that constitutes a "hit" in the video game industry. Nintendo, rightly so from a business perspective, doesn't shake things up too much with their two biggest selling franchises, New Super Mario Bros., and Mario Kart. After all, who would want to be the game designer that messed up one of Nintendo's most bankable streams of income? |
I would argue that changing the art syle wouldn't hurt sales, but actually help sales. People will see that the game still retains the core Mario gameplay while actually looking different and new. Nintendo changes the art sytle for Zelda all the time and does that hurt sales? I don't think it does. If we look at Mario's past few games we will see the art style for NSMB DS, NSMB Wii, 3D Land, NSMB2, the Wii U game, and even Galaxy 1/2 all have the same visual art syle. Sure, Mario has an iconic look, but changing up the art syle like Nintendo did with SMB3, World, etc. isn't going to change how people precieve the games. They are going to play them no matter what. I can see where you are coming from though.
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When thought is put into something, art, visual art, music, story, there is always a way to recognize depth.
Even if it is the most bare simplicity, the discerning eye should be able to recognize what is deep, and what is not. What I described as cheesy is basically the opposite of deep, it did not require thought, nor effort.
To support with an example, a small detail. You will laugh, but it really turns me horribly off:
Notice how everythihng is glittering. It makes me want to punch somebody.
| happydolphin said: ^If that's the case, then I'm not giving them my buck. Seriously, I pay for games that are made to be good AND make money, not crippled due to the goal. The way and the means need to marry, and if they don't, then Nintendo just isn't the company for me. |
Good. I feel the same way. I'll only buy a game if I feel that I will get enough enjoyment out of it to justify the price. I recently got Double Fine's Happy Action Theater and that game was definately worth the price. When I'm throwing a party, I just put it on in the background and people will just swarm around the TV. $10 was cheap for the amount of fun we have had with it. But, if I was playing by myself, it would have never been worth $10.
What we need is a New Wario Land game. ;)
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