| D-Joe said: it doesn't matter,we just need to care about numbers and "Leung had also been working with Chinese officials to eventually allow Microsoft's Xbox 360 to be sold in the country."? you know,MS try this since 2006 and Chinese gov still "lol no" |
Go to your local game stores plenty will mention they export to the mainland.
Is it safe to say that 360 is undertracked by ~500-600k then?
When can we expect the adjustments? Blindly putting the numbers somewhere or waiting for NintyChartz?
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Barozi said: Call of Duty bundle was exclusive to Xbox 360 and CoD is bigger than any Star Wars game in existence. Never said that the call of duty bundle wasn't exclusive to the xbox360 nor that it doesn't out sell star wars games. Doesn't prove at all in the slightest that more call of duty of bundles were shipped tho. Wrong and a typical mistake made by many people. Call of Duty attracts over 100k people to the 360 every year. Go check the charts. Big games ALWAYS bring new people to a platform. Next CoD will prove it once more. No other IP in the recent games had a similar effect on the HD consoles. Or why do you think CoD sells more and more every year if there weren't any new players? The problem with that is call of duty is released during the holidays and you have no idea how much of the increase is due to seasonal numbers, stand alone purchases or bundle purchases. And for the record call of duty doesn't sell more and more every year, the latest call of duty is down on what the previous one sold. I think you're exaggerating the hype a bit. CoD is earning MS more money than Star Wars currently and while it is important they KNOW that Kinect is only really doing well during the holidays and not during the slow weeks. Nope not exaggerating anything. Kinect has been the main focus of Microsoft for the past two E3's and they've spent a record amount of money advertising it as well. Kinect sells best during the holidays but Microsoft would like it to sell all year long and the only way they are going to do that is releasing huge kinect games at other times of the year and marketing the hell out of them like they've done with kinect star wars. As far as Kinect bundles go, yeah. I still prefer the CoDMW3 and the GeoW3 one Thing is that's just your opinion, the vast majority of everybody else's opinion is that the star wars xbox console is the best limited edition xbox console of this generation. More people on this planet know what star wars is compared to call of duty and all year long you see star wars related media, unlike call of duty. Star wars kinect has been advertised more than the latest call of duty ever was. Call of Duty bundles were sold out in its first week of appearance. Star Wars Kinect sold 18k in its first week in the UK and we know that 12% of that came from these bundles. So only 2k in the third biggest market of the world. Considering the first week sales are 420k globally means that many bundles are in stock naturally. Just because a bundle sold x amount in one region doesn't mean the exact same thing happened everywhere else and if the call of duty bundle sold out quickly where as the star wars one hasn't yet, then who's to say the reason why it hasn't sold out yet is because more star wars bundles were shipped in the first place. I'd say anything over 150k is already extremely exaggerated. No not really.
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| fillet said:
b) The only way you could be on to something is if you were talking about yield issues at a fabrication factory. You aren't though, and if you were you would be wrong because the components in an Xbox 360 don't have yield issues because the tech is ancient and the manufacturing processes used are a gen or two behind in terms of die shrinks. |
Oh boy, you are so wrong on all accounts, I don't even know where to start. And I don't have the time, space or incnetive to tell you how it really works in the real world (and I have had years of insight into manufacturing chains in several areas).
a) This is complete nonsense. As I told before, MS/Sony/Nintendo make plans for each fiscal year on how many items to manufacture, when how many at which time. Depending on the contracts - which are usually telephone-book sized regulations - either party can be responsible for buying parts and have them ready. Individual components are ordered as long as possible before they are needed (Hint 1 for you: MS ordered the memory chips TWO YEARS before the XBox went into production). The shorter the time, the more expensive they are. This pricing law is universal in the manufacturing industry and is an absolute necessity for any manufacturer to keep its assembly lines running at a steady pace and be able to stay profitable. If you happen to have a manufacturer that can ramp up/down production any time, you most likely pay a lot more, or more likely the manufacturer is on the way out (Hint 2 for you: NVidia and other companies are talking with Samsung now, because TSMC is completely unable to ramp up its 28nm yield fast enough, so TSMC might be losing tons of money there). Same goes for XBoxe fabrication (You remember the riots in Taiwan when workers occupied an assembly line for a few days? The reason: They shut down the assemby line for XBoxes there and wanted to fire/transfer workers to a cheaper plant. That shut-down assembly line is not going to reopen any time, if MS thinks they need a few more XBoxes - tough chances).
b) In general, the producer does not care about production yields at all. Again, the producer has long-term phone-book sized contracts with the manufacturer about how, when and where the components have to be ready for shipping/further processing. It is again up to the manufacturer to see that he can make the things in time. Getting out of those contracts is expensive (AMD just forked over $750m to get ouut of the GF contracts).
And yes, of course XBox Slims had yield problems. The CPU/GPU die was a complete redesign in (32nm which was reasonably new at that time), incorporating two different design philosophies on a singe die. Again, this ultimately was IBMs problem, though, to get enough money from MS to offset the loss for too many required dies.
I'll just paste a comment I made in another thread a few of days ago.
I'm sure quite a few of the Star Wars 360/Kinect Bundles were shipped out at the end of March. Stores may think that will be in big demand, so MS still may get to their ~1.5 million.
Seems like what may have happened. Still, congrats to MS for a pretty good quarter.
| Jadedx said: Something wrong with Ethomaz's logic, those numbers were from the beginning of each year, right after holiday stock ups, it is now april, almost may. THERE ARE NOT 1.0 - 1.4 CONSOLES ON SHELVES. STORES WOULD NOT ORDER 1.4 MORE CONSOLES FOR Q1 WHEN THEY STILL HAD .5M CONSOLES IN STORAGE. |
you should get ready for next Q
because they just start to find other reason to make it doesn't like undertracked or even make it like overtracked
damn,i can't wait
| Jadedx said: Something wrong with Ethomaz's logic, those numbers were from the beginning of each year, right after holiday stock ups, it is now april, almost may. THERE ARE NOT 1.0 - 1.4 CONSOLES ON SHELVES. STORES WOULD NOT ORDER 1.4 MORE CONSOLES FOR Q1 WHEN THEY STILL HAD .5M CONSOLES IN STORAGE. |
My numbers are from 31th March for all years... and after the lastest big adjustments in VGC.
Nothing wrong here.
people relax... sales mean nohting this far into the race...
360 support will keep going until 2015 or later from 3rd parties at least.
MS is secretly sending around all its employees to buy XB360s and then lets them keep them or bury them at a secret landfill, to prevent demand from plummeting!!! =8-O
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