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Teo said:

If you read what I said carefully you will see I didn't call or implyied anyone was an idiot for attacking my opinion, and I'm definately not complaining or in a sour mood, just imagine a happy face after every thing I say.

My only discontent is the undeserving praise of the game and the medicore state of RPGs this gen.


I know man, I was joking, sorry. 

I really like this game, the world entraps me.  It's just such a cool thing for me.  In any other way it contains nothing unseen or unheard of in a game before, just maybe not in this configuration.  You aren't impressed, cool.  I can hear you on the state of RPGs though.  On SNES and PS there were so many cool, innovative RPGs to devour. Around the PS2 era, FMVs definitely took over from every facet, and budgets exploded for RPGs.  If you didn't have those killer CGI FF clone story interludes, you wouldn't get the media attention or the sales.  After FF7, it seemed possible that if you made a game with epic movies, it would have epic sales.  In RPGs, which were already story heavy, it didn't seem like cheating to advertise cutscenes as part of the gameplay experience.  Around this time, at least for me, RPGs lost their way, and for the most part, this trend has continued through to this day.

I find Xenoblade to be a great example of one that breaks through the modern malaise.  But I can vouch that recent games in the genre have been less than average for the most part.



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blaydcor said:
Teo said:
Obviously what I say is my opinion, do I have to say it after every sentence? It's 2012.

Apparently saying a game is overrated means the game sucks to a lot of you (no, saying it 'brings nothing new to the genre' annoys me, because it shows a lack of capacity to critically discuss a game's place within an established canon.) I bought the game, which means it's good enough already (well thank god it has your approval,). I only buy games I know I like (gee you must be pretty good at guessing what games are like before you buy them) and I can tell what I like (key: what you like. we're discussing its place within the JRPG genre as a whole, not 'what Teo likes') pretty quickly with ZERO influence from any publication or score (this is actually cognitively impossible; the only way to have ZERO influence is to not know something exists. preconceptions are inevitable neurological phenomena. that said--I know what you're trying to say. Surprise! I do that too. So do most people. Liking the game doesn't mean I'm making my decisions thanks to other people.)

That being said, this game is average (to you.)The script and dialogue is generic at best, these problems plague almost every game anyways (or: you don't like the script/dialogue. would you like to explain how they're generic at best?) Like Star Ocean 4 and Lost Odyssey. The story is mildly interesting and I already know roughly where it's going and how it will end (this is also irrellevant since we're discussing its impact on the genre as a whole, not how much you happened to enjoy the story). 

I find it amusing (amusing? clearly you are aloof and wise)how the mmorpg style (would you care to expand on what this 'style' is?)is being praised left and right (by who? me?)when FFXII was criticized for having it  (by who? same people who are praising Xenogears? I loved XII)(and once something "bad" about a game is dragged, everything else gets thrown under the bus as well)(This is irrellevant and not neccesarily true). WKC was severely criticized for its crappy battle system(WKC suffered from poor gameplay design all around. A game does not start and end at its battle system). but the mmorpg style (stop using this like it's a hard absolute thing that is used the same way in every game)was brought up to bash the game some more (okay sure but whatever, nothing to do with Xenoblade)

Now if you Nintendo defenders* (nobody has defended Nintendo. wtf does liking Xenoblade have to do with Nintendo?)excuse me, I have an average JRPG game to finish and shelf along my imported copy of the average Last Story. (Why the presumption that liking Xenoblade=liking Last Story? Oh right because you paint other people in broad cartoon strokes)

Here. This is why people argue with you. Because your posts are loaded with nonsense as illustrated by underlined commentary.

Thank you for underlining your assumed opinion on what I meant right after my opinon you didn't comprend.

It added so much to the conversation.

At least Plezbo undertands what I wrote and you just put words in my mouth.



Teo said:
blaydcor said:

commentary.

Thank you for underlining your assumed opinion on what I meant right after my opinon you didn't comprend.

It added so much to the conversation.

At least Plezbo undertands what I wrote and you just put words in my mouth.

My point is that we're talking about the significance of Xenoblade within the JRPG canon/market. Your opinion and enjoyment of it means jack shit. It is irrellevant within this context; it's equally irrellevant that I enjoyed it. 

I completely understand what you're saying. I don't know <i>why</i> you're saying it, since it's not what we're trying to discuss. And I don't know why you insist on saying it in an inflammatory, absolutist way. That's not how you critically unpack a game. Shit gets annoying. 



Crusty VGchartz old timer who sporadically returns & posts. Let's debate nebulous shit and expand our perpectives. Or whatever.

blaydcor said:
Teo said:
blaydcor said:

commentary.

Thank you for underlining your assumed opinion on what I meant right after my opinon you didn't comprend.

It added so much to the conversation.

At least Plezbo undertands what I wrote and you just put words in my mouth.

My point is that we're talking about the significance of Xenoblade within the JRPG canon/market. Your opinion and enjoyment of it means jack shit. It is irrellevant within this context; it's equally irrellevant that I enjoyed it. 

I completely understand what you're saying. I don't know why you're saying it, since it's not what we're trying to discuss. And I don't know why you insist on saying it in an inflammatory, absolutist way. That's not how you critically unpack a game. Shit gets annoying. 

You are just defending the game by saying that my opinion is irreleveant to the discussion when my opinion is more inclusive of everything else in the JRPG genre. Enjoying the game has everythign to do with it.

Here is a clue, this game has no more importance in the JRPG market than Star Ocean 4 or Infinite Undiscovery do. The only importance this game holds is the JRPG genre on the Wii console.



Game looks gorgeous



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Teo, I actually agree with you on the importance of XBC vs. Star Ocean 4, but for reasons I don't think you will agree with. Star Ocean 4 was shit as far as story and voice acting go, awful rubbish really. It is one of the examples people use as why JRPGs are dying. XBC has a compelling story, and the voice acting is refreshingly decent. Also, with its open world it lends a sense of discovery missing from RPGs for far too long.

One final note. I stated that I didn't like Star Ocean 4's story or voice acting, I still love that game for reasons I don't really even understand. Also, these are my opinions, not facts, so take them as you will.

Ok, a real final note, thinking about it, the inclusion of the Heropon in this game makes it the best RPG since Mario RPG, and that's a FACT-PON!