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Forums - Sales - March NPD - X360 #1 371k, PS3 337k, Wii 175k

Argh_College said:
Ps3 is a great Console with a great library of games. Great Consoles sell Great so this is why Ps3 is giving fight in the USA, but ofc if MS drops the price of 360 to 129.99$ sales will be way ahead once again and 360 could have its best holiday ever.

Wii other hand has no games, no support and its a console of casual people... its died and Wii U wont have this sucess ever... Nintendo was lucky but that happens 1 time in life.

Well, people say this but it happened with DS, and 3DS it would seem...why can't it happen with WiiU?



 

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pezus said:
Argh_College said:
Ps3 is a great Console with a great library of games. Great Consoles sell Great so this is why Ps3 is giving fight in the USA, but ofc if MS drops the price of 360 to 129.99$ sales will be way ahead once again and 360 could have its best holiday ever.

Wii other hand has no games, no support and its a console of casual people... its died and Wii U wont have this sucess ever... Nintendo was lucky but that happens 1 time in life.


It wasn't "luck". It was just a good strategy that only worked short-term. 

It wasn't a short term strategy, it was a strategy that Nintendo tactically abandoned.

See, Wii sales are still rather good during the holiday. Huge, in fact. They make a lot on every console.

They simply stopped putting games on it, why? Because people will continue to buy the old ones, this propels their sales per game to a very efficient and healthy number, and makes their games look better, creating hype. Business wise, it makes more sense to make one game in 7 years that sells 10 m, than to make 2 that sell 12m combined.



Conegamer said:
Zlejedi said:
Conegamer said:
Seece said:
Sorry I had to go out last night!

Smallest PS3 - 360 gap since Slim debuted, PS3 price cut has had a sustained effect afterall. Star Wars should widen it next month, not sure about May, June they have to cut!

Wii is falling behind rapiidly, down 115k YOY despite price cut, going to $99 will do little to nothing. 360 - Wii gap is 5.57m, closed the gap 196k this month.

Reckon the 360 will overtake the Wii in the US then? If it keeps it up like this each week on average, it'll take 28 months. I know it'll likely grow in the holidays and perhaps more this month with Star Wars, and of course when there's a price cut, so 18-20 months is more likely. The question is, will the 360 continue selling for that long after the WiiU is released? 

However, I still reckon both will end up very close. Could go either way, depending on how quickly Wii drops further.

Even assuming Wii U will cause X360 sales to drop (I got no idea why it would happen unless Wii U is like 200$) it will also cause Wii sales drop.

There's no ifs here just a matter of when in USA.

Why would it happen? Because people want the next BIG thing. It may not cause sales to drop dramatically, but -10% YoY + whatever else due to age and fatigue for the PS360, and -20% YoY+ Whatever else for Wii seems likely. 

The 360 can't sell forever. It'll start to drop dramatically, and it'll probably either happen later this year or early next. It's whether or not it can continue to outsell the Wii at this rate for long enough to get close enough to the Wii's sales. Because when the 360 starts to drop in sales, the difference between sales of the two each month will be much less than 200k per month, or 50k per week...

I expect we'll see something along the lines of (LT):

47mil Wii

47.5mil 360

32mil PS3

 

This seems possible, so the 360 just edging the Wii

As you said they want next BIG thing not a successor to machine which has been hanging on lifesupport since 2011.

While X360 is going to be PS2 of next generation for America and will sell well for at least a few years into new gen.



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spurgeonryan said:
We are not expecting a Wii boost do to Xenoblade, the last story, and Pandora's tower? Also why wouldn't a wii pricecut across the board to 99 dollars give it a big boost? I would say that even Christmas this year it should do well. Give it a price cut now, then push it even lower for black Friday. Who could resist that. I agree wih Conegamer. It will happen but it will take a while.

Yes, wii will likely get a 30-50$ price cut after this e3.

360 will likely get a 20-50$ price cut on the arcade to 149-179$, 50-70$ cut on the elite to 230-250$, plus a 50-100$ cut on the kinect bundle, moving it down to 299$ on announcement of the 720.

PS4 unlikely to have an announcement at e3, most likely waiting for tgs instead, as that is the start of the holiday season, perhaps 20-50$ price drop to 199-239$, or 20$ plus a game nobody likes :D



pezus said:
toadslayer72 said:
Man, I'm impressed with the PS3, good shit.

Also, gift cards are NOT price cuts, how are people still thinking this? Sure it's incentive to buy but official price cuts are all across the board and everyone knows about it. Can't assume everyone knows all of the deals that this store or that store are offering via gift cards. An official price cut of the 360 will do more good than gift cards and there HAS to be one incoming, probably an E3 announcement.

Did I mention that I'm impressed with the PS3? That is the biggest news of this NPD, imo.

Greenberg (The MS guy) cited the main reason for the extremely high November 360 sales to be "extensive deals and gift cards". I'm pretty sure the public new about them


Yeah sure, no argument there. But how many and how huge were they in November? You really gonna try to compare the month that has Blck Friday deals with March? And I'm not saying that the gift cards don't have any impact, just that an official price cut does more. Obviously people knew about them, people were on the hunt for that shit Holiday time. Price cut now > gift cards.



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kowenicki said:
pezus said:
kowenicki said:
Right, well I missed all of this.

I come back to see that Th Source thinks the 360 isn't doing great... even though it is. (nothing new)
and that Vita apparently is doing great even though it isn't? (200k is still poor, just not awful - people seem to forget that they thought the 3ds was doing bad at that level)

Well when you expect shitty sales and get mediocre sales instead you should be pretty happy about that, shouldn't you...since it is better than you expected.

You expected the Vita to sell shitty?

Going by VGChartz numbers and the continual posts by majority around here stating that the console is either "Dead" or doing absolutely terrible and that it is very worrisome for SONY, I would say yes, many expected shitty numbers when NPD rolled around.

Now this makes one wonder how much stock we can put into VGChartz EMEAA numbers.



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kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
Ops... Vita is selling good in US... the haters may cry.


selling good?  lol 

really?

even though AFTER ADJUSTMENTS in its first 7 weeks there it has sold:

40% of what the PSP did

30% of what the DS did

and a mere 70% of what the "terrible" launch of the 3DS managed.

are you sure?

While it may or may not have a big impact, you have to remember that :

#1.) PSP and DS launched in a much different US economy.

#2.) What did you think people expected considering the PSP itself didn't have much of a foothold in the US prior to the Vita launch.

 

I don't think this is a real case of "Rose tinted glasses" but rather looking at things in context.

Yes, it isn't selling the same as 3DS did, but Vita didn't have a 50M+ selling predecessor to build off of.



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kowenicki said:
pezus said:
kowenicki said:
Right, well I missed all of this.

I come back to see that Th Source thinks the 360 isn't doing great... even though it is. (nothing new)
and that Vita apparently is doing great even though it isn't? (200k is still poor, just not awful - people seem to forget that they thought the 3ds was doing bad at that level)

Well when you expect shitty sales and get mediocre sales instead you should be pretty happy about that, shouldn't you...since it is better than you expected.

You expected the Vita to sell shitty?

I think he's specifically talking about your expectations.

Like above, you say 200k is poor, not awful, but people thought 3ds was bad. So, 3ds is bad, vita is poor in your own words.

Additionally, people said 3ds was bad and failing because we hadn't reevaluated the market properly. Now we can do that. We can't just call something poor simply because we called a misunderstood market poor before. It's not like people called the 3ds poor, so now we have to call the vita poor to be fair. That's like saying that previous to understanding learning disabilities, we called people stupid, so now we haev to continue to call them stupid because it would be unfair to those previously called stupid.

Vita sales, for the moment, are acceptable. They're not good, they're not great. They're within a range where people probably aren't getting fired over it.

You would be right to call them poor had the vita come out first, but since it didn't and since it's comparative to 3ds initial sales, we can accept them.



kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:
kowenicki said:
pezus said:
kowenicki said:
Right, well I missed all of this.

I come back to see that Th Source thinks the 360 isn't doing great... even though it is. (nothing new)
and that Vita apparently is doing great even though it isn't? (200k is still poor, just not awful - people seem to forget that they thought the 3ds was doing bad at that level)

Well when you expect shitty sales and get mediocre sales instead you should be pretty happy about that, shouldn't you...since it is better than you expected.

You expected the Vita to sell shitty?

I think he's specifically talking about your expectations.

Like above, you say 200k is poor, not awful, but people thought 3ds was bad. So, 3ds is bad, vita is poor in your own words.

Additionally, people said 3ds was bad and failing because we hadn't reevaluated the market properly. Now we can do that. We can't just call something poor simply because we called a misunderstood market poor before. It's not like people called the 3ds poor, so now we have to call the vita poor to be fair. That's like saying that previous to understanding learning disabilities, we called people stupid, so now we haev to continue to call them stupid because it would be unfair to those previously called stupid.

Vita sales, for the moment, are acceptable. They're not good, they're not great. They're within a range where people probably aren't getting fired over it.

You would be right to call them poor had the vita come out first, but since it didn't and since it's comparative to 3ds initial sales, we can accept them.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141085&page=1

tell me how you would define them?


You already know how I feel about your charts.

It's "the truth" to align the launches and combine them for psv and 3ds, but not for other consoles.

Your argument is that 3ds didn't worldwide launch until later, so having the psv worldwide numbers is "innaccurate" but really, I just think it's an excuse. Why do I think that? Because the numbers are actually a lot closer in real time than they appear in your charts. Sony could have a small price drop, or a sales boost by the saem time-frame as the 3ds WW numbers, and that would keep the numbers more in line.

While your figures are good at showing vita underperforming in a short term, on a long term, it can quickly catch up with some heavy software. Sony even notes that the conversion rate for UNit 13 from demo to game is quite high, highlighting an interest in fps on the system, and foreshadowing a very well performing CoD.

Enjoy them while they last.

EDIT: It's also important for people to note that your chart is of the "doomed" variety. A chart with really a very small difference in height making a difference in lifetime seem bigger than they are. If we extrapolate the slope of the curves, we'd see end of lifetime difference of maybe 4-10m with no price drop. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff there.



I asked to author of Bloomberg article if the 125k is the Pachter prediction or real vita sales but I don't expected any response.