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Marks said:
I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Islamization. Atheists like to call Christians backwards thinking...but come on Muslims still stone people and treat women like shit. And obviously not every terrorist is Muslim...but like 98.5% of them are, there are bombings daily in Muslim countries.

I'd rather the world become Atheist than Muslim.


98.5% aren't, is what you mean...  because there is no way there are 950 million terrorists.



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FattyDingDong said:
Marks said:
I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Islamization. Atheists like to call Christians backwards thinking...but come on Muslims still stone people and treat women like shit. And obviously not every terrorist is Muslim...but like 98.5% of them are, there are bombings daily in Muslim countries.

I'd rather the world become Atheist than Muslim.


98.5% aren't, is what you mean...  because there is no way there are 950 million terrorists.


Sorry, I meant 98.5% of terrorists are musims...not 98.5% of muslims are terrorists. Just a misunderstanding. 



Well, I would call the Islamization of europe a pretty far-fetched idea. While there has been an influx of islam immigrants to central and northern european countries, it's basically at the same level of the eastern european influx in the early 90s/2000s and south american influx from the 70s and 80s and neither of those led to a "russificiation" or "latinization" of Europe.



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The Islamisation of Europe is well and truly overstated. Yes they will increase as a proportion of the population in many countries - no they will not become the majority in any reasonable time span. No caucasians and western society isn't going to die out.

Strangely I do agree that there are some problems with integration of certain groups of Muslims into Western society. Some groups don't integrate culturally at all and maintain cultural traits that are simply unacceptable in the West (well in my opinion unacceptable anywhere...) such as honour killings. I realise the majority of Muslims are much more moderate than that - but Islamic fundamentalism can be a bit of a problem.



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Marks said:
I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Islamization. Atheists like to call Christians backwards thinking...but come on Muslims still stone people and treat women like shit. And obviously not every terrorist is Muslim...but like 98.5% of them are, there are bombings daily in Muslim countries.

I'd rather the world become Atheist than Muslim.

I, too, would much rather see an atheist world than a Muslim world, but then I'd prefer it to any other kind of world as well.

A slow trickle of Islamic immigration is not suddenly going to turn Britain and France into Iran and Saudi Arabia. Immigration would be curbed long before we reached that level, and why would so many islamists leave their precious sharia states to move to liberal democracies? It makes no sense at all.

For the most part, the Muslims who move to Europe are the ones who hate the way of life in their home countries. That would be why they left.



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RolStoppable said:
I am not even sure which color I have to vote to help the cause of saving Europe. Is it blue or orange?


just ask yourself if you want to be a german apendix or to be in a south german nation... or vote something else and stay Austria (a country were most of the natives are having names like Prohaska, Ilic, Gruber, Eder, Andric or Wagner) ;P



Kantor said:
Marks said:
I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Islamization. Atheists like to call Christians backwards thinking...but come on Muslims still stone people and treat women like shit. And obviously not every terrorist is Muslim...but like 98.5% of them are, there are bombings daily in Muslim countries.

I'd rather the world become Atheist than Muslim.

I, too, would much rather see an atheist world than a Muslim world, but then I'd prefer it to any other kind of world as well.

A slow trickle of Islamic immigration is not suddenly going to turn Britain and France into Iran and Saudi Arabia. Immigration would be curbed long before we reached that level, and why would so many islamists leave their precious sharia states to move to liberal democracies? It makes no sense at all.

For the most part, the Muslims who move to Europe are the ones who hate the way of life in their home countries. That would be why they left.

Most are moving to escape war or natural disasters (edit: or as the guy below me said, to make a living). They bring their beliefs here and though they aren't extremists, many aren't exactly liberal or completely tolerant either. I have a lot of muslim friends, me being an atheist is a problem to a few of them, and if I was jewish or gay it'd be a pretty big problem to many of them, most wouldn't be my friend, some may even try to attack me. 



Kantor said:
Marks said:
I'm not going to lie, I'm scared of Islamization. Atheists like to call Christians backwards thinking...but come on Muslims still stone people and treat women like shit. And obviously not every terrorist is Muslim...but like 98.5% of them are, there are bombings daily in Muslim countries.

I'd rather the world become Atheist than Muslim.

I, too, would much rather see an atheist world than a Muslim world, but then I'd prefer it to any other kind of world as well.

A slow trickle of Islamic immigration is not suddenly going to turn Britain and France into Iran and Saudi Arabia. Immigration would be curbed long before we reached that level, and why would so many islamists leave their precious sharia states to move to liberal democracies? It makes no sense at all.

For the most part, the Muslims who move to Europe are the ones who hate the way of life in their home countries. That would be why they left.

Have to say I disagree with you there. Most immigrants from the second or third world are economic migrants. They come here to work and earn a living so they can send money back to their native country to support their extended familiy and/or make a better life for themselves here due to the lack of decent job opportunities their country of origin presents. But their norms and customs are still that of where they came from. I know plenty of taxi drivers and people who work in Indian restaurants etc who due to their line of work are only exposed to drunken and rowdy natives so stereotype English culture as such. They are convinced their culture is superior or if not superior than at least they should stick to their own rather than adopt the British way of life.

But like you say not everyone is like that but unfortunately a lot of people from the East tend to believe in a religion and especially for Muslims being an atheist is seen as the ultimate sin and one cannot be openly so. However I am hoping as the generations go by moderate Islam or Muslim by name only will be the main form of Islam in the UK in the years to come.