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Forums - Nintendo - Let's Retrospect: Why was Wii not HD ready? (A different gen 7)

Gamerace said:

many Nintendo games could easily be done on an ipad (NSMB, Rythym Heaven, Big Brain Academy, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Kirby, etc.).

Just from the bold, that's a no, they could not be done on a tablet.   And that's to say nothing of Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc....

We aren't talking graphics here but control and depth.  



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Gamerace said:
mike_intellivision said:
Gamerace said:

 

If the system was meant to be a five-year effort, then the most the WiiU is "late" is one year.

--Agreed, although 2 years ago WiiU would have been an amazing revolution.

That would have been nice. But as you noted, the 3DS prevented that.

No other console has a tablet controller, so it is innovative in that arena.

--Except for tablets themselves - which have become a major source of game playing and competitor to traditional consoles (although PS3/360 specialize in big theatrical experiences, Wii does not and many Nintendo games could easily be done on an ipad (NSMB, Rythym Heaven, Big Brain Academy, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Kirby, etc.).  Having a tablet, a lot of 3rd parties will likely port tablet games (WiiUWare) blurring the line between WiiU and an Ipad further.   If the general consumer views WiiU as a competitor to Ipad - it's DOA.  No one will pay $50 for a game on a tablet when they can get a similar game for $5 on ipad.    If Apple or Android allow TV play of tablet games (likely), that'll further blurr the line.     Bottom line: There is nothing innovative about playing a video game off a touch screen in 2012. 

Controller issues and the inabilty to charge full price will for games (from consumers who won't pay it) will most likely retard the growth of tablet gaming. Plus, some IPs, specifically Nintendo's which sell its consoles, will either never work or never be on a tablet.

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And I am not sure how the graphics for a console for which we have not seen any full demos or games can be said to look dated.

-- Considering no matter what report you listen too, WiiU's graphics will look a lot more like 360's than something cutting edge.  That is to say, like graphics from 7 years ago (2005 when 360 launched).  That's dated.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-28-aliens-colonial-marines-on-wii-u-has-so-much-more-to-offer

Most people who are doing WiiU/PS3/Xbox 360 games are saying that the games look the same (at least) on the WiiU. That is not launch HD games, that is a new console being able to emulate the market leaders, before people have figured out how to get the most out of it.

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I am guessing they too didn't thought thier plans would work that well and end up selling loads.It was an exp just like the ds and I am guessing they wanted to win money back from the gamecube



mike_intellivision said:
Gamerace said:
mike_intellivision said:
Gamerace said:

 

If the system was meant to be a five-year effort, then the most the WiiU is "late" is one year.

--Agreed, although 2 years ago WiiU would have been an amazing revolution.

That would have been nice. But as you noted, the 3DS prevented that.

No other console has a tablet controller, so it is innovative in that arena.

--Except for tablets themselves - which have become a major source of game playing and competitor to traditional consoles (although PS3/360 specialize in big theatrical experiences, Wii does not and many Nintendo games could easily be done on an ipad (NSMB, Rythym Heaven, Big Brain Academy, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Kirby, etc.).  Having a tablet, a lot of 3rd parties will likely port tablet games (WiiUWare) blurring the line between WiiU and an Ipad further.   If the general consumer views WiiU as a competitor to Ipad - it's DOA.  No one will pay $50 for a game on a tablet when they can get a similar game for $5 on ipad.    If Apple or Android allow TV play of tablet games (likely), that'll further blurr the line.     Bottom line: There is nothing innovative about playing a video game off a touch screen in 2012. 

Controller issues and the inabilty to charge full price will for games (from consumers who won't pay it) will most likely retard the growth of tablet gaming. Plus, some IPs, specifically Nintendo's which sell its consoles, will either never work or never be on a tablet.

-True.  However that puts it in the same boat as Gamecube.   To be fair, if Nintendo announces a revolutionary game like Wii Sports or Wii Fit was then it'll be a different picture.  We've yet to see such a game.  What we have seen is more along the lines of WiiU Play.

And I am not sure how the graphics for a console for which we have not seen any full demos or games can be said to look dated.

-- Considering no matter what report you listen too, WiiU's graphics will look a lot more like 360's than something cutting edge.  That is to say, like graphics from 7 years ago (2005 when 360 launched).  That's dated.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-28-aliens-colonial-marines-on-wii-u-has-so-much-more-to-offer

Most people who are doing WiiU/PS3/Xbox 360 games are saying that the games look the same (at least) on the WiiU. That is not launch HD games, that is a new console being able to emulate the market leaders, before people have figured out how to get the most out of it.

--That's my point.  Being able to match what the 2nd and 3rd place systems have done for 7 or 6 years already is no accomplishment.   Wii's graphics, despite being better than PS2 and possibly edging the original Xbox were definitely dated in 2006.  By the same token, WiiU's graphics matching or slightly exceeding what the 7 year old 360 can do is still very dated graphics.    However, there is a question of how much better graphics can really get.  We've certainly reached the point of depreciating returns on investment so even MS/Sony's next systems may not look significantly better to the layperson.

Mike from Morgantown





 

BasilZero said:
To make up for the losses they had during the 5th and 6th generation, with the money they made from the 7th generation, they'll go full force with what the current technology can offer in the 8th generation if they even go that far, for cost sake they might do the wii strategy but hopefully the end result will bring them better third party support...

Nintendo never lost a dime during those gens, they were completely and utterly profitable the whole time.



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Here Ill explain it as good as possible. Nintendo had taken a steady decline in market share pursuing power they could have easily launched a Wii/60 it would have likely retailed around the price of the 360 and Nintendo probably would have taken a slight loss if they matched 360's power.

In the end would Nintendo have had the success they had with bringing in non gamers? Probably not if you look at Kinect the bundles go for like 299$ and PS3/Move bundle costs under 400$. Nintendo would likely miss out on at least ten to twenty million in sales. The cheap hardware was a massive feature. Parents saw the 250$ price tag and opted to buy it over 360 for the holidays. Nintendo's marketing strategy and word of mouth spread the Wii like wild fire.

Nintendo wouldn't have had as much success with 360 visuals. GameCube didn't beat Xbox, N64 lost to PSOne. Nintendo decided to completely change course it was a gutsy gamble that paid off. Nintendo was desperate to buck the decline trend and they did. Nintendo knew if Wii failed GBA and DS would keep the company afloat. Nintendo also had a backup I remember reading Nintendo had a piece of hardware in development already to jump in and save them though it probably would have backfired on Nintendo.

But Nintendo was not satisfied with profits without market share. Nintendo wanted market share. Also Nintendo turned a healthy profit on each Wii day one something Nintendo absolutely needed. See if Wii's turn a profit on each unit and it fails. Nintendo would have likely broken even and could take the hit with ease launching their back up plan if need be. Much like how Nintendo survived VB.

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I think that they made the right choice. If they decided to go the graphic route against the HD twins they would have been smashed into oblivion.



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They made the right choice imo. Only 18% of US households had a HDTV a year after the Wii launched as far as I remember. And Nintendo were taking a big gamble with motion controls. And it turned out very well indeed for them, don't you think..?



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