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oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.


 Thats very low. I bought the three games and while I kind of liked them, anybody waiting a million copies from any of them was just crazy.

The problem with sega is that pretty much all their games failed at retail regardless of the console, (vanquish, Sonic Generations, BD, madworld...) but they didnt care because mario & sonic olimpics was making tons of money for them... And we all know the reason why they sold so much...



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I'm sorry to anyone who thinks Sega could have survived with the DreamCast they did not leave the hardware industry by choice. Sega was shedding staff like a hole in a water balloon they shut down all unnecessary operations. I believe Sega stated they had twice as many hardware units unsold sitting in warehouses as were sold.

Sega had so many unsold units continuing to manufacture them would have been their death. In fact Sega continued bleeding money after they left the hardware industry. They had almost no studios and resorted to releasing DreamCast ports to survive.Sammy saved Sega from bankruptcy they wouldn't have lasted more then another year if Sammy hadn't saved them.

Now someone suggested a newer model, lol do you realize how.much money goes into launching new hardware? R&D , marketing, advertising getting it on shelves. Sega couldn't have even started a new model they would have crashed. The choice to leave hardware was to survive and a very last resort!



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As for Sea's direction I think it is stupid. It would appear Sega is downsizing in hopes its strong IP will bring then company into the next generation. I do believe all of those titles will sell but am afraid Sega is no longer in a position to grow.

If I were Sega I would be green lighting everything for WiiU today. I would only bring Sonic to the next generation Sony and Ms Systems. The smart publishers that struggled last generation did not jump onto PS3 for two years. Those that were foolish enough to jump early died.

As Sega I would maintain all of my current operations internally. All third party titles would receive cuts in funding. I would likely invest a 100 mill in purchasing new studios and bringing some state of the art WiiU titles to the market.

Sega and UbiSoft and Majesco all greatly benefitted last generation by focusing on the lower Dev cost system to make the majority of their money. The Wii offset every loss they took and helped the publishers survive.

If I was Sega I would keep 90% of my projects on WiiU and/or 360/PS3. With only Sonic on the new Sony and Microsoft systems.I would bring the Total War franchise to WiiU along with every other IP. Sega is not in a position to make a broad jump to next generation as I am pretty positive they plan on doing.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

menx64 said:
oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.


 Thats very low. I bought the three games and while I kind of liked them, anybody waiting a million copies from any of them was just crazy.

The problem with sega is that pretty much all their games failed at retail regardless of the console, (vanquish, Sonic Generations, BD, madworld...) but they didnt care because mario & sonic olimpics was making tons of money for them... And we all know the reason why they sold so much...

Its not low at all, the difference between those HD games and the Wii ones?? The Wii fans hyped the hell out of those games. "anybody waiting a million copies from any fo them was just crazy." Thats funny thats not what some Wii fans were saying before those games released. Conduit got mad hype, people were calling it the Halo for Wii, even on this own website. Madword, im sure people were expecting better. HOTD 2&3 sold about 2mil?? I dont know why an actual orginal game in the series would not do that much, im sure Sega was thinking the same thing.

What bugs me is that everyone now wants to be captain hindsight, like they knew those games would flop. No they didnt, especially Conduit, people were expecting that to go at least 1mil. ANd im sure that Sonic Generations did alright. THe PS360 version combined has already outsold Colors for Wii. 



oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.


 Thats very low. I bought the three games and while I kind of liked them, anybody waiting a million copies from any of them was just crazy.

The problem with sega is that pretty much all their games failed at retail regardless of the console, (vanquish, Sonic Generations, BD, madworld...) but they didnt care because mario & sonic olimpics was making tons of money for them... And we all know the reason why they sold so much...

Its not low at all, the difference between those HD games and the Wii ones?? The Wii fans hyped the hell out of those games. "anybody waiting a million copies from any fo them was just crazy." Thats funny thats not what some Wii fans were saying before those games released. Conduit got mad hype, people were calling it the Halo for Wii, even on this own website. Madword, im sure people were expecting better. HOTD 2&3 sold about 2mil?? I dont know why an actual orginal game in the series would not do that much, im sure Sega was thinking the same thing.

What bugs me is that everyone now wants to be captain hindsight, like they knew those games would flop. No they didnt, especially Conduit, people were expecting that to go at least 1mil. ANd im sure that Sonic Generations did alright. THe PS360 version combined has already outsold Colors for Wii. 


 Yes, some people were hyping those games nonstop, but thats the thing, how come those games were so overhyped yet they failed at retail? Internet hype is not the same as actual demand. We have seen that happening quite a lot of times, Okami probably been the best example of that. Everybody praised the game, it was released on the most popular console of the moment but at the end of the day the game bombed, then they made a wii version same story. When the wii came out some games saw great sales RE4, REUC, HOTD 2, Red steel... I though we were getting a lot of games after that success, what we got instead? more onrails shooters (That I bought BTW) but nothing more... All the games you mentioned (HOTD:O, madworld & conduit) were published as the hardcore games we were all waiting for... An onrail shooter? Again? A black and white gore fest? The conduit was an special case, I agree that many people overhyped the game, but the main reason was (IMO) that there were no other games to look foward (3rd parties) sales wise all those games bombed though. 



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@menx64 it wasnt just the hype, there were some people on this very site who were saying that these games would do crazy numbers. 1-2mil. and anyone who argued otherwise was seen as a hater, funny how all those people either vanished or act like they didnt make such claims, even though its right there on the wall. But your right internet hype does not equal real world hype. But that brings me to another query which I will get to in a sec.

You complain about more onrail shooters, but two of the good selling games you mentioned ARE onrail shooters, that makes no sense. If they did so well of course they would make more of those, its just common pratice, no different than HDs being flooded with FPSs.

You dont have to tell me about HOTDOverkill or Madword, I knew those games were not going to set the charts on fire, anyone who thought otherwise was too in love with their WIi. I liked Overkill but that was an on rail shooter, but if thats the case what was HOD2/3 or RE:UC excuse?? Madworld was just overhyped and was never that good. Even if there were no other games to look forward too, someone should have seen Conduit wasnt all that good to begin with. What games should have come out?? Because you say there was no demand for those games and thats why they kinda flopped, but those were core games, so wouldnt one argue that the demand for core games were not that high?? Or were those games simply not that good, despite what forum dwellers were saying and most said nuts to that?? I believe its a bit a both but mostly the latter



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oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.

Sega still does the best on Wii.  There are always a few duds.  Live and learn.



 

sperrico87 said:
oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.

Sega still does the best on Wii.  There are always a few duds.  Live and learn.

oh, come on. thats more than a few duds



oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
oniyide said:
sperrico87 said:
pezus said:
chapset said:
that's what happen when you support the wii

And put VCII and III on PSP.....

That's totally false.  Sega does the best on Wii.  Sonic games on Nintendo platforms outsell all other console versions.  Sega has even come out on occasion and publicly stated how happy they are with the success of Sonic and related IP on Wii and DS. 

Sonic Mega Collection and Heroes says thats false statement. And Generations says hey as well.  Funny thing is, they didnt seem to happy about Conduit, Madworld, or HOTDOverkill.

Sega still does the best on Wii.  There are always a few duds.  Live and learn.

oh, come on. thats more than a few duds

Sonic Colors, Sonic Olympics, etc, all more than make up for the duds.