A solid basing, I must admit!

Hey hey, motion control had a much bigger WOW factor. It shows from people's reactions back then compared to how they view the Wii U. I'm not saying I won't buy a Wii U, I'm just saying that it won't have the mass appeal the Wii had in its first 2-3 years. Wii U demos were ok, but this time hardware is really important since the Wii does have a damaged reputation especially during the last couple of years. 

There's a couple of things Nintendo has to do to appeal to the consumer. First, this E3 is major. They have to be able to tell the consmer, Hey you need this. Up to now it isn't the case imo, and that's due to a lot of vagueness about the Wii U (How are the graphics? Can we use two tablets? How can the tablet be a fun and innovative function? ). Second they need to have sustainable sales unlike the Wii. That has to be correleated to 1. How lasting the hardware can be meaning graphics, AI, etc... The Wii failed miserably there and 2. Continuous software releases. Pro 2008 Wii had a weak and very Holiday oriented software lineup. That needs to be solved and it's mainly through 3rd party software, and even Nintendo management. 

Well said... I suppose I should have cited that while infrared impressed me the most (playing FPS with wiimote/nunchuck) there will always be a fun factor associated to the Wiimote (motion controls).  I had a ton of a fun playing Wii Sports with friends, family, and my current girlfriend.  Wii Sports (bowling) helped me get laid.  Nothing like bringing a girl over to your place so she can play with your Wii.  Anyways, all joking aside...  I believe the potential is there to wow the consumer into possibly buying frenzy that the Wii had.  The high demand was crazy during Wii's first few years.   You even had people considering Nintendo was creating the demand by not producing enough consoles.

I was going to go into about how they can't rely on third party game companies, etc.. but it is pretty obvious they need better support than what the Wii had.  One thing I am psyched about... Only having to enter a FC in once...  I like how the word FC still scares most HD console owners.  Some of them still don't realize that the FC system changed to pretty much exactly what Microsoft and Sony offer.

1. I see your point, but you're saying as if casual gamers were all Nintendo fans, which is not true. The problem for Nintendo is indeed to have those people buy WiiU to replace their Wiis. To people for which Wii is their first ever system and who consider gaming as a secondary leisure, what could be the reason to upgrade? Furthermore, the enormous sales of Wii sports and the like also mean Wii players hadn't much else to play on their system. The PS360 library is far richer and more varied. If you check the game DB, you'll see that Wii has le lowest number of million sellers and 500K sellers. Those huge sales actually are a liability for Nintendo as it asphyxiates and eventually deters third party support. By the way, I own a WiiPS3, that doesn't make me love Nintendo or want WiiU.

2. Yes, tables have turned largely in favor of Sony/Microsoft, that's why I reckon WiiU can't win : it has (so far) no assets to compete with PS360. We are speculating on WiiU's chances, that was the point of this discussion...

Well said... I suppose I should have cited that while infrared impressed me the most (playing FPS with wiimote/nunchuck) there will always be a fun factor associated to the Wiimote (motion controls).  I had a ton of a fun playing Wii Sports with friends, family, and my current girlfriend.  Wii Sports (bowling) helped me get laid.  Nothing like bringing a girl over to your place so she can play with your Wii.  Anyways, all joking aside...  I believe the potential is there to wow the consumer into possibly buying frenzy that the Wii had.  The high demand was crazy during Wii's first few years.   You even had people considering Nintendo was creating the demand by not producing enough consoles.

I was going to go into about how they can't rely on third party game companies, etc.. but it is pretty obvious they need better support than what the Wii had.  One thing I am psyched about... Only having to enter a FC in once...  I like how the word FC still scares most HD console owners.  Some of them still don't realize that the FC system changed to pretty much exactly what Microsoft and Sony offer.

1. I see your point, but you're saying as if casual gamers were all Nintendo fans, which is not true. The problem for Nintendo is indeed to have those people buy WiiU to replace their Wiis. To people for which Wii is their first ever system and who consider gaming as a secondary leisure, what could be the reason to upgrade? Furthermore, the enormous sales of Wii sports and the like also mean Wii players hadn't much else to play on their system. The PS360 library is far richer and more varied. If you check the game DB, you'll see that Wii has le lowest number of million sellers and 500K sellers. Those huge sales actually are a liability for Nintendo as it asphyxiates and eventually deters third party support. By the way, I own a WiiPS3, that doesn't make me love Nintendo or want WiiU.

2. Yes, tables have turned largely in favor of Sony/Microsoft, that's why I reckon WiiU can't win : it has (so far) no assets to compete with PS360. We are speculating on WiiU's chances, that was the point of this discussion...

I agree almost 100% with both of you guys here. 

It almost doesn't matter what the competition does as far as WiiU doing incredibly well; that's all up to Nintendo and Nintendo alone, IMO.  The potential for WiiU to achieve near PS2 level sales (even with the competition selling good as well) is there.  Their lead year performance, agressive pricing, and most importantly, delivering the right 1st party games in addition to aquiring the vast majority of 3rd party offerings (and sustaining them every year) is what will determine whether or not they capitalize on this potential.

The good news is that Nintendo obviously knows all of this too.  The 3DS launch/pricing debacle, as bad as it was, could indeed be the eye-opener they needed to do WiiU right in all of the key areas.

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snowdog 2 days ago

Now that they've finally ditched the TEV Unit from the Gamecube and Wii the U is going to see ports from the PS3 and 360 for the remainder of this gen and supply ports to the PS4 and 720 next gen. The confirmed third party support so far is unbelievable, probably the best selection of launch/launch window titles I've ever seen for a console:

Lego City Stories
Ninja Gaiden 3
Killer Freaks From Outer Space
Assassin's Creed 3
An untitled Battlefield
Batman Arkham City
An untitled Tekken
Dragon Quest X
Dirt
Project C.A.R.S.
Darksiders 2
Aliens Colonial Marines
Metro Last Light
An untitled Rabbids game

I'm also expecting announcements of a Monster Hunter title, Resident Evil 6, Call of Duty, Tiger Woods, FIFA and GTA V at this years E3.

And that's just third party titles (although I think Nintendo are publishing Lego City Stories which would make that second party). You can add to that list Pikmin 3, a 2D Mario title of some description, a 3D Mario title of some description, Wii U Sports, Retro's secret title, Monolith's secret title, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Zelda...the list goes on and on.

In terms of software it definitely looks promising, while their competitors are busy keeping the entertainment center locked up in terms of dvd, HBO go, blue ray, Dvr, media player, used games restrictions (rumor), Kinect, Netflix, and the weather forecast.