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RolStoppable said:
VicViper said:

Time for the DOOM chart

 

Vita officially is selling less then PS3, despite the fact it's launch numbers were more than double! It crossed streams with the gamecube too, but it was expected, as the Cube had a fantastic holiday season. Next objective, dreamcast...  sigh, and no games to change this route.

The Vita is about 15 weeks ahead of the DC, so it would need to have an atrocious year all around to cross the line of Sega's last home console.

The PS3 has a notable bump in a few weeks, that was because of a Gundam game. We'll see if the Vita's Ciel no Surge or whatever it is called can keep up with that. I think it was a mighty 45k week for the PS3 back then.


Well, Vita's gundam is not that far, so it might help with a big bump as well and then Persona which will help for sure too. Ciel no Surge won't do much, I think. But that's it until 2013 for "big" announced games - only Final Fantasy X has a chance of being released this year!

Based on that, you still think no MH is going to be announced next month? Impossible, like I said, Nintendo would be dumb to allow, but sony would be even dumber to let it go.



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Aww thought Shining Blade would have been higher, closer to 200k after the COMG preorders.

I would actually be happy if Vita can stabilize at 10k. It's entire game library isn't very Japanese orientated and no new titles have been coming out. So hopefully when a decent stream of software comes it can pull around 20k - 30k a week.



VicViper said:

Time for the DOOM chart

 

Vita officially is selling less then PS3, despite the fact its launch numbers were more than double! It crossed streams with the gamecube too, but it was expected, as the Cube had a fantastic holiday season. Next objective, dreamcast...  sigh, and no games to change this route.

What does the (Fam) and (MC) stand for?



NintendoPie said:
VicViper said:

Time for the DOOM chart

 

Vita officially is selling less then PS3, despite the fact its launch numbers were more than double! It crossed streams with the gamecube too, but it was expected, as the Cube had a fantastic holiday season. Next objective, dreamcast...  sigh, and no games to change this route.

What does the (Fam) and (MC) stand for?


Famistu and Media Create. Two different sales trackers in japan.



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VicViper said:
NintendoPie said:
VicViper said:

Time for the DOOM chart

 

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Vita officially is selling less then PS3, despite the fact its launch numbers were more than double! It crossed streams with the gamecube too, but it was expected, as the Cube had a fantastic holiday season. Next objective, dreamcast...  sigh, and no games to change this route.

What does the (Fam) and (MC) stand for?


Famistu and Media Create. Two different sales trackers in japan.

Thank You. I should've known that... Anyway! PSVita better not drop near those DreamCast numbers or it's official!



RolStoppable said:
VicViper said:
RolStoppable said:

The Vita is about 15 weeks ahead of the DC, so it would need to have an atrocious year all around to cross the line of Sega's last home console.

The PS3 has a notable bump in a few weeks, that was because of a Gundam game. We'll see if the Vita's Ciel no Surge or whatever it is called can keep up with that. I think it was a mighty 45k week for the PS3 back then.

Well, Vita's gundam is not that far, so it might help with a big bump as well and then Persona which will help for sure too. Ciel no Surge won't do much, I think. But that's it until 2013 for "big" announced games - only Final Fantasy X has a chance of being released this year!

Based on that, you still think no MH is going to be announced next month? Impossible, like I said, Nintendo would be dumb to allow, but sony would be even dumber to let it go.

There's also the price drop that will happen this year, so the PSV won't cross the DC line anyway. Plus, it should bring the PSV above the PS3 line again.

And yes, I still think that MH won't be announced for the PSV next month. Nintendo can't be dumb enough to have left a loophole in their moneyhatting contract. Nintendo's mission was to push Sony out of the handheld market and Monster Hunter is basically the key to it.

Yeah, but I don't think a price cut without a big game would do enough, I don't think it even would bring its numbers above PS3 this year, since it's at least 3 months away and PS3 will have some time to increase the gap. That's why MH is necessary. Sony is probably willing to give Kaz's mother in exchange for a MH game, no matter NIntendo's contract.

I agree that the Dreamcast line will never be reached, not even SCEJ could be that idiotic - but remember that the dreamcast launched with 3 games? And Vita with more than 30? So it's already a moral victory for the DC. Payback time after 12 years!!!!

Kinda...



RolStoppable said:
VicViper said:

Yeah, but I don't think a price cut without a big game would do enough, I don't think it even would bring its numbers above PS3 this year, since it's at least 3 months away and PS3 will have some time to increase the gap. That's why MH is necessary. Sony is probably willing to give Kaz's mother in exchange for a MH game, no matter NIntendo's contract.

I agree that the Dreamcast line will never be reached, not even SCEJ could be that idiotic - but remember that the dreamcast launched with 3 games? And Vita with more than 30? So it's already a moral victory for the DC. Payback time after 12 years!!!!

Kinda...

The PS3 didn't sell well in its initial year, many times 10k or less per week. If the Vita averages 10k units per week, it will fall barely behind in the next few months and a price cut to 20,000 yen would bring it into the acceptable range for a handheld. Without games it wouldn't do much, but it also doesn't take much to beat the PS3.

Speaking of that, what's that site you once posted collecting japanese weekly sales again? I lost it, it seems.



logic56 said:
saicho said:
logic56 said:
Turkish said:
Nice PS3 and PSP numbers, imagine those couldve been PSVita sales

and there is nothing saying that that they won't be, this is actually great for Sony, it means people are looking at the psp instead of the 3ds which has monster hunter and is almost as cheap. these people are your late adopters, imo Vita's first price cut wil be massive.

not making any sense to me.

people are buying a last gen psp instead of the 3ds which is next gen and if I'm not mistake extrememly cheap and has monster which is popluar over there. So for these people clearly they don't need to up grade which is bad for Nintendo becasue it says to them even your incredible cheap monster hunter enabled next gen system isn't enough, so ask yourself when they do decide to up grade though which I'm assuming will be a few years from now, do you think the Vita will still be expenseive, do you think it won't have monster hunter plus other big games with a larger library.

also take into account that the Vita is a near generational leap as far as hardware is concerned which only becomes more apperant as the years go and before you go bu bu but ps3 remember the ps3 was 600 dollars at launch and first cut was to 400 a full 100-200 more than it's competitor, vita would be in a similar position if it lauched as 300-400, basically think of it as if the ps3 had launched at 400 dollars like the 360 but in the year leading to it's launch the 360 cut it's price to 250 dollars, what would ps3's first price cut be? Vita's first price cut will put it in the same range as the 3ds and unless they (Nintendo) are willing to make a 80 dollar slash, which is higly unlinky do you really think people will choose a 3ds over a Vita with the Vita also having a years library under it's belt and cost in the same range, maybe, but that will be a MUCH tougher sell for nintendo than it is now. Looking at we're 80 dollars cheaper with better games (becausewelaunchedayearaheadsothatwouldbeagiven) vs were 10-20 dollars cheaper and have mario and pokemon

 

 

The same examples you are using -

1. Wii build a big lead in the beginning. PS3 won the late adoptors right now but yet still 4 millions+ behind in Japan. 

2. PSP was a near generational leap as far as hardware is concerned but it's still being outsold by DS in Japan at a comparable price. DSi LL was more expensive than PSP but yet it sold more. so Yes, I really think gamers in Japan would choose 3DS over VITA after VITA gets its price cut. If VITA can not offer the price advantage over 3DS, why would Japanese PSP gamers choose VITA over 3DS while a lot of their favorite franchises (including MoHun) on PSP have moved to 3DS?

 

I don't see how VITA is in the same situation as PS3 is actually great for Sony especially considering Sony was never market leader for handheld in Japan.

 



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

saicho said:
logic56 said:
saicho said:
logic56 said:
Turkish said:
Nice PS3 and PSP numbers, imagine those couldve been PSVita sales

and there is nothing saying that that they won't be, this is actually great for Sony, it means people are looking at the psp instead of the 3ds which has monster hunter and is almost as cheap. these people are your late adopters, imo Vita's first price cut wil be massive.

not making any sense to me.

people are buying a last gen psp instead of the 3ds which is next gen and if I'm not mistake extrememly cheap and has monster which is popluar over there. So for these people clearly they don't need to up grade which is bad for Nintendo becasue it says to them even your incredible cheap monster hunter enabled next gen system isn't enough, so ask yourself when they do decide to up grade though which I'm assuming will be a few years from now, do you think the Vita will still be expenseive, do you think it won't have monster hunter plus other big games with a larger library.

also take into account that the Vita is a near generational leap as far as hardware is concerned which only becomes more apperant as the years go and before you go bu bu but ps3 remember the ps3 was 600 dollars at launch and first cut was to 400 a full 100-200 more than it's competitor, vita would be in a similar position if it lauched as 300-400, basically think of it as if the ps3 had launched at 400 dollars like the 360 but in the year leading to it's launch the 360 cut it's price to 250 dollars, what would ps3's first price cut be? Vita's first price cut will put it in the same range as the 3ds and unless they (Nintendo) are willing to make a 80 dollar slash, which is higly unlinky do you really think people will choose a 3ds over a Vita with the Vita also having a years library under it's belt and cost in the same range, maybe, but that will be a MUCH tougher sell for nintendo than it is now. Looking at we're 80 dollars cheaper with better games (becausewelaunchedayearaheadsothatwouldbeagiven) vs were 10-20 dollars cheaper and have mario and pokemon

 

 

The same examples you are using -

1. Wii build a big lead in the beginning. PS3 won the late adoptors right now but yet still 4 millions+ behind in Japan. 

2. PSP was a near generational leap as far as hardware is concerned but it's still being outsold by DS in Japan at a comparable price. DSi LL was more expensive than PSP but yet it sold more. so Yes, I really think gamers in Japan would choose 3DS over VITA after VITA gets its price cut. If VITA can not offer the price advantage over 3DS, why would Japanese PSP gamers choose VITA over 3DS while a lot of their favorite franchises (including MoHun) on PSP have moved to 3DS?

 

I don't see how VITA is in the same situation as PS3 is actually great for Sony especially considering Sony was never market leader for handheld in Japan.

 

- it doesn't have to beat the 3ds to be a success, just like the psp didn't have to beat the DS to be a success, all it has to do is find and audience large enough to warrant support and have the means to support said audience, wii selling 4 million more than ps3 meant absolutely nothing to ps3 which still received amazing first and 3rd party support

- oh don't get me wrong I know the 3ds will outsell the Vita and by a margin as well, but meaningless as it won't prevent Vita from reaching it's potential there, 3ds will always have a price advantage, however to the previous psp owners they won't go 3ds because price isn't a issue for them, obviously they brought the more expensive psp, and monster hunter may be on 3ds but when it's compared to the Vita version the difference will be night and day and I believe the psp user base in Japan will see that.