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logic56 said:
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logic56 said:
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logic56 said:
binary solo said:
Let's face it, unless Vita gets an exclusive Monster Hunter portable game it's going down in a screaming heap in Japan. There's no other IP in Japan that can even get within shouting distance of the big Nintendo handheld franchises. The MH games are the only million sellers on PSP in Japan, as such they hold great importance to the potential success of PSV

lol really??

did anyone think Monster Hunter was going to be as big as it was on the psp??

sure am glad most people here are not in charge of, well anything.

one game isn't on the console yet and no game is pushing units 4 months into the consoles lauch, that clearly means no games ever made ever from now on will do anything at all, lets call it quits abandon ship. Don't know about you but that makes a lot of sense to me. *sarcasm off*

He is right, not a single existing game (obviously SCEJ can pull a Pokémon phenomenon anytime... well, not that obviously) can push units like MH for Vita in Japan. If MH4 hits 3DS in the end of the year exclusively, it's over. It'll sell like hotcakes filled with hotcakes and  then some more - especially with a hardware redesign, which is very probable.

What other games can push units like that for Vita? Especially, this year?

I'll tell you when the damn year is over

 

Yes, that's right, no other!

because the year is over and Sony will not annouce ANYTHING at E3, Gamescom, or TGS right

They will, but not at the same level of impact as MH, how it's that hard for you to understand? This is not a quality discussion - they will announce tons of quality games for vita in those conferences. But really big IPs in japan are very scarce, and for Vita not a single one is more important than MH. Unless, we count the mystery world class phenomenon revolutionary new IP game, but this "game" could theoretically save the 360 there, so let's not.

And remember, annoucing games and releasing them takes time, especially big games so I think waiting until TGS can be too late to announce something. That's why I'm very positive about Capcom announcing a MH port next month, releasing on the holidays with a price cut.

you know what screw it, there is no talking to you people (from the damn future) you've all made your minds up becasue I bet you all knew for a fact that when monster hunter was announced for the psp that it was gonna be as big as it was I'm sure of it.

but I'm gonna wiat until nothing is announced until I say nothing is annouced until then I'll sit firmly in the anything can happen boat.

Yeah, let's all do that... wait and see for anything. Why bother talking anything if anything can happen? Maybe Sony will buy Apple, so there it is, not in a bad situation anymore. We're talking about things that can help Vita escape that dreadful sales zone it's in, and everybody almost agree it's based in one game, Monster Hunter.

And did you know MH did not start as big as it is today, so even a new magical unpredictable IP will take time to settle itself as a blockbuster.



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VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
inzlogic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
binary solo said:
Let's face it, unless Vita gets an exclusive Monster Hunter portable game it's going down in a screaming heap in Japan. There's no other IP in Japan that can even get within shouting distance of the big Nintendo handheld franchises. The MH games are the only million sellers on PSP in Japan, as such they hold great importance to the potential success of PSV

lol really??

did anyone think Monster Hunter was going to be as big as it was on the psp??

sure am glad most people here are not in charge of, well anything.

one game isn't on the console yet and no game is pushing units 4 months into the consoles lauch, that clearly means no games ever made ever from now on will do anything at all, lets call it quits abandon ship. Don't know about you but that makes a lot of sense to me. *sarcasm off*

He is right, not a single existing game (obviously SCEJ can pull a Pokémon phenomenon anytime... well, not that obviously) can push units like MH for Vita in Japan. If MH4 hits 3DS in the end of the year exclusively, it's over. It'll sell like hotcakes filled with hotcakes and  then some more - especially with a hardware redesign, which is very probable.

What other games can push units like that for Vita? Especially, this year?

I'll tell you when the damn year is over

 

Yes, that's right, no other!

because the year is over and Sony will not annouce ANYTHING at E3, Gamescom, or TGS right

They will, but not at the same level of impact as MH, how it's that hard for you to understand? This is not a quality discussion - they will announce tons of quality games for vita in those conferences. But really big IPs in japan are very scarce, and for Vita not a single one is more important than MH. Unless, we count the mystery world class phenomenon revolutionary new IP game, but this "game" could theoretically save the 360 there, so let's not.

And remember, annoucing games and releasing them takes time, especially big games so I think waiting until TGS can be too late to announce something. That's why I'm very positive about Capcom announcing a MH port next month, releasing on the holidays with a price cut.

you know what screw it, there is no talking to you people (from the damn future) you've all made your minds up becasue I bet you all knew for a fact that when monster hunter was announced for the psp that it was gonna be as big as it was I'm sure of it.

but I'm gonna wiat until nothing is announced until I say nothing is announced until then I'll sit firmly in the anything can happen boat.

Yeah, let's all do that... wait and see for anything. Why bother talking anything if anything can happen? Maybe Sony will buy Apple, so there it is, not in a bad situation anymore. We're talking about things that can help Vita escape that dreadful sales zone it's in, and everybody almost agree it's based in one game, Monster Hunter.

And did you know MH did not start as big as it is today, so even a new magical unpredictable IP will take time to settle itself as a blockbuster.

- and that is unbelievably short sighted and rather stupid

 

- of course I know it's the whole basis of my point if anyone bother reading what I posted, and my problem is with all the geniuses who think no game can ever do that..... EVER



logic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
inzlogic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
binary solo said:
Let's face it, unless Vita gets an exclusive Monster Hunter portable game it's going down in a screaming heap in Japan. There's no other IP in Japan that can even get within shouting distance of the big Nintendo handheld franchises. The MH games are the only million sellers on PSP in Japan, as such they hold great importance to the potential success of PSV

lol really??

did anyone think Monster Hunter was going to be as big as it was on the psp??

sure am glad most people here are not in charge of, well anything.

one game isn't on the console yet and no game is pushing units 4 months into the consoles lauch, that clearly means no games ever made ever from now on will do anything at all, lets call it quits abandon ship. Don't know about you but that makes a lot of sense to me. *sarcasm off*

He is right, not a single existing game (obviously SCEJ can pull a Pokémon phenomenon anytime... well, not that obviously) can push units like MH for Vita in Japan. If MH4 hits 3DS in the end of the year exclusively, it's over. It'll sell like hotcakes filled with hotcakes and  then some more - especially with a hardware redesign, which is very probable.

What other games can push units like that for Vita? Especially, this year?

I'll tell you when the damn year is over

 

Yes, that's right, no other!

because the year is over and Sony will not annouce ANYTHING at E3, Gamescom, or TGS right

They will, but not at the same level of impact as MH, how it's that hard for you to understand? This is not a quality discussion - they will announce tons of quality games for vita in those conferences. But really big IPs in japan are very scarce, and for Vita not a single one is more important than MH. Unless, we count the mystery world class phenomenon revolutionary new IP game, but this "game" could theoretically save the 360 there, so let's not.

And remember, annoucing games and releasing them takes time, especially big games so I think waiting until TGS can be too late to announce something. That's why I'm very positive about Capcom announcing a MH port next month, releasing on the holidays with a price cut.

you know what screw it, there is no talking to you people (from the damn future) you've all made your minds up becasue I bet you all knew for a fact that when monster hunter was announced for the psp that it was gonna be as big as it was I'm sure of it.

but I'm gonna wiat until nothing is announced until I say nothing is announced until then I'll sit firmly in the anything can happen boat.

Yeah, let's all do that... wait and see for anything. Why bother talking anything if anything can happen? Maybe Sony will buy Apple, so there it is, not in a bad situation anymore. We're talking about things that can help Vita escape that dreadful sales zone it's in, and everybody almost agree it's based in one game, Monster Hunter.

And did you know MH did not start as big as it is today, so even a new magical unpredictable IP will take time to settle itself as a blockbuster.

- and that is unbelievably short sighted and rather stupid

 

- of course I know it's the whole basis of my point if anyone bother reading what I posted, and my problem is with all the geniuses who think no game can ever do that..... EVER

They don't want to see it ;)



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Zlejedi said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
inzlogic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
VicViper said:
logic56 said:
binary solo said:
Let's face it, unless Vita gets an exclusive Monster Hunter portable game it's going down in a screaming heap in Japan. There's no other IP in Japan that can even get within shouting distance of the big Nintendo handheld franchises. The MH games are the only million sellers on PSP in Japan, as such they hold great importance to the potential success of PSV

lol really??

did anyone think Monster Hunter was going to be as big as it was on the psp??

sure am glad most people here are not in charge of, well anything.

one game isn't on the console yet and no game is pushing units 4 months into the consoles lauch, that clearly means no games ever made ever from now on will do anything at all, lets call it quits abandon ship. Don't know about you but that makes a lot of sense to me. *sarcasm off*

He is right, not a single existing game (obviously SCEJ can pull a Pokémon phenomenon anytime... well, not that obviously) can push units like MH for Vita in Japan. If MH4 hits 3DS in the end of the year exclusively, it's over. It'll sell like hotcakes filled with hotcakes and  then some more - especially with a hardware redesign, which is very probable.

What other games can push units like that for Vita? Especially, this year?

I'll tell you when the damn year is over

 

Yes, that's right, no other!

because the year is over and Sony will not annouce ANYTHING at E3, Gamescom, or TGS right

They will, but not at the same level of impact as MH, how it's that hard for you to understand? This is not a quality discussion - they will announce tons of quality games for vita in those conferences. But really big IPs in japan are very scarce, and for Vita not a single one is more important than MH. Unless, we count the mystery world class phenomenon revolutionary new IP game, but this "game" could theoretically save the 360 there, so let's not.

And remember, annoucing games and releasing them takes time, especially big games so I think waiting until TGS can be too late to announce something. That's why I'm very positive about Capcom announcing a MH port next month, releasing on the holidays with a price cut.

you know what screw it, there is no talking to you people (from the damn future) you've all made your minds up becasue I bet you all knew for a fact that when monster hunter was announced for the psp that it was gonna be as big as it was I'm sure of it.

but I'm gonna wiat until nothing is announced until I say nothing is announced until then I'll sit firmly in the anything can happen boat.

Yeah, let's all do that... wait and see for anything. Why bother talking anything if anything can happen? Maybe Sony will buy Apple, so there it is, not in a bad situation anymore. We're talking about things that can help Vita escape that dreadful sales zone it's in, and everybody almost agree it's based in one game, Monster Hunter.

And did you know MH did not start as big as it is today, so even a new magical unpredictable IP will take time to settle itself as a blockbuster.

- and that is unbelievably short sighted and rather stupid

 

- of course I know it's the whole basis of my point if anyone bother reading what I posted, and my problem is with all the geniuses who think no game can ever do that..... EVER

They don't want to see it ;)

You again with " ;) ". It's not that witty, you know?
This is getting ridiculous! See what? Please enlighten us how would you bring Vita's sales to a healthy level in japan in 2012. What would you do sitting in the CEO chair? Remember, it's the worst selling japanese console since the dreamcast there!



logic56 said:
binary solo said:
Let's face it, unless Vita gets an exclusive Monster Hunter portable game it's going down in a screaming heap in Japan. There's no other IP in Japan that can even get within shouting distance of the big Nintendo handheld franchises. The MH games are the only million sellers on PSP in Japan, as such they hold great importance to the potential success of PSV

lol really??

did anyone think Monster Hunter was going to be as big as it was on the psp??

sure am glad most people here are not in charge of, well anything.

one game isn't on the console yet and no game is pushing units 4 months into the consoles lauch, that clearly means no games ever made ever from now on will do anything at all, lets call it quits abandon ship. Don't know about you but that makes a lot of sense to me. *sarcasm off*

Well, yes actually, I would expect MH to be as big (over time) on PSV as it was on PSP. Has MH suddenly taken a major downturn in popularity? Quite the opposite in fact. The MH franchise has increased in popularity on PSP with each suceeding title. It's very reasonable to expect an exclusive PSV MH title to be very popular on PSV and convince many MH fans to buy a PSV.

Try using some logic and objectivity, rather than sarcasm, when analysing future sales prospects. The only way to peer into the future is to look at what has gone before and  think about how the past influences and predicts the future. Fact: no new IP introduced for PSP was hugely popular in Japan, none. Monster Hunter was the only one, single, no other to sell multi-million units. Not even very high quality existing franchise titles like MGS, with some MH tie in stuff, or a Kingdom Hearts spin off could manage sales comparable to MH.

The probability, therefore, that new IP introduced for PSV this year, or next, will become hugely popular and drive a major increase in sales is quite low. So far, while it's early days yet, no new IP has really captured the attention of gamers. The probability of an exclusive MH title driving sales of PSV (especially driving people to convert from PSP to PSV) is quite high, certainly higher than a new IP doing this. Therefore with these probabilities in mind the negative effect on PSV's prospects of not having a MH title within the next year or so, or at least annonced, is significant. PSV will continue to sell but at fairly low numbers, and Sony will have a difficult time significantly increasing PSV sales in Japan.

Sony can do a lot by transferring several moderately popular franchises from PSP to PSV: God Eater, Phantasy Star, some sort Gundam, and a Final Fantasy spin off. Those franchises will certainly give PSVs baseline sales a boost when put together. But none of them would have the effect MH would, even collectively.

MH in Japan for PSP is like Halo for Xbox in America. It is a key franchise for hardware sales. Losing it would be a major blow, and a non-trivial threat to PSV's long term prospects. Even moving it to multiplatform on 3DS and PSV would be a significant loss. In the very least Sony would need to scramble to find a wildly popular exclusive game franchise to take its place, which if we consider all game platforms is not an easy thing to do.

It is true that the success or failure of PSV does not rest solely on MH. But it's naive to think Monster Hunter isn't important to PSV's future.

Is it possible a new IP or several new IPs will see PSV achieve PSP-like sales levels? Yes. But is it likely? Not really.



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binary solo said:
 

It is true that the success or failure of PSV does not rest solely on MH.

 

glad that we agree



RolStoppable said:
VicViper said:
RolStoppable said:

The Vita is about 15 weeks ahead of the DC, so it would need to have an atrocious year all around to cross the line of Sega's last home console.

The PS3 has a notable bump in a few weeks, that was because of a Gundam game. We'll see if the Vita's Ciel no Surge or whatever it is called can keep up with that. I think it was a mighty 45k week for the PS3 back then.

Well, Vita's gundam is not that far, so it might help with a big bump as well and then Persona which will help for sure too. Ciel no Surge won't do much, I think. But that's it until 2013 for "big" announced games - only Final Fantasy X has a chance of being released this year!

Based on that, you still think no MH is going to be announced next month? Impossible, like I said, Nintendo would be dumb to allow, but sony would be even dumber to let it go.

There's also the price drop that will happen this year, so the PSV won't cross the DC line anyway. Plus, it should bring the PSV above the PS3 line again.

And yes, I still think that MH won't be announced for the PSV next month. Nintendo can't be dumb enough to have left a loophole in their moneyhatting contract. Nintendo's mission was to push Sony out of the handheld market and Monster Hunter is basically the key to it.


Can't belive Sony was dumb enough to not have secured an exclusive Monster Hunter long before the Vita launch.

Hell even a port of that uber popular PSP version would have done wonders.



You guys do know that Monster Hunter isn't a new IP right? Pretty sure it started on the PS2.



Terrible Vita sales for Japan!!! The more this goes on, the more I see a lot of Japanese companies concentrating their efforts on the 3DS. It'll only get worse when the Wii U releases as it'll have to compete with two of Nintendo's systems instead of one!



MH didn't just come out of nowhere, it took quite a while for it to become the mega hit it is today, the momentum slowly built up over years and sales kept going up and became more and more front loaded as time went on. The vita is in big trouble, it doesn't look like it will do as well as the PSP. It won't simply just die off though, Sony does have a fairly strong base support and there should be plenty of ports.



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