blkfish92 said: Dr.Grass said: blkfish92 said: Dr.Grass said: I don't eat beef. It's unhealthy, expensive, bad for the environment/economy and is produced in a violent way. In a sense I understand, but I eat beef because if one person like yourself stops eating it, no difference will be made. I totally reject your argument. MEAT CRACK YUMMM...Just try it...

I'm white South African. BBQ (braai) is like the national food. Considering that I only became vegetarian when I was 18 it should be clear that I've 'tried' everything. It's not tempting in the slightest - it's a little sad.

I hope not. That being said I went full Vegan last week so it doesn't concern me.

I find some of those quotes you posted nonsensical Dr. Grass because we are an omnivorous species. Biologically we have features that are only present in meat eating species which allow us to consume and digest meat.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to have a nutritionally complete diet without meat by the way, I'm just saying it's bollocks to claim that humans were never meant to eat meat at all. However we've vastly increased our intake of meat in a very short period of time (on an evolutionary timescale) which is what is leading to health problems.

 

Oh and I agree with the environmental concerns. The oceans are a complete disaster waiting to happen (or actually already happening and not enough people are paying attention yet). I'm a fan of commercial fish farming for this reason. And kangaroos would be best for red meat, much more environmentally friendly to farm.

If you don't know why meat is bad, or don't know why many people are becoming vegetarians then you should watch the documentary "Food Maters", it's on Netflix. It does a great job at finding the facts regarding meat consumption in correlation to health problems. There are many studies, one done on the ENTIRE population of China. It also takes on the biggest myth about meat, that we need it because it provides essential proteins; when in fact, when we consume "cooked" meat our body treats it as a poison/toxin. Please watch it even if don't belive it, you just might learn something.

Dr.Grass said: blkfish92 said: Dr.Grass said: blkfish92 said: Dr.Grass said: I don't eat beef. It's unhealthy, expensive, bad for the environment/economy and is produced in a violent way. In a sense I understand, but I eat beef because if one person like yourself stops eating it, no difference will be made. I totally reject your argument. MEAT CRACK YUMMM...Just try it... I'm white South African. BBQ (braai) is like the national food. Considering that I only became vegetarian when I was 18 it should be clear that I've 'tried' everything. It's not tempting in the slightest - it's a little sad.

So hard to believe..

I usually just get beef strips then have them ground up in front of me. Better quality meat, most often cheaper, and tastes good :p

pezus said: alan_aguirre93 said: If you don't know why meat is bad, or don't know why many people are becoming vegetarians then you should watch the documentary "Food Maters", it's on Netflix. It does a great job at finding the facts regarding meat consumption in correlation to health problems. There are many studies, one done on the ENTIRE population of China. It also takes on the biggest myth about meat, that we need it because it provides essential proteins; when in fact, when we consume "cooked" meat our body treats it as a poison/toxin. Please watch it even if don't belive it, you just might learn something. It's always a question of balancing your meat intake. We don't need meat to provide essential amino acids, but it's the best single source of them. Also, I don't have Netflix so I can't watch that documentary. But if it's anything like I think it is (going against what Doctor's are currently saying - that a moderated amount of meat each day is good for you), then I'm definitely going to question it. People should never look at documentaries as facts, always question them.

I did question it, I thought it was a little drastic to say any amount of meat is bad. But I did plenty of research afterwards and found many supporting studies and scholarly journals. I don't just take what ever a documentary says as fact, and you never should. Documentaries are just a way to inform people of an issue and allow them to form their own opinion. The reason I recommend watching "Food Matters" is because I've done the research.

Double post.

TadpoleJackson said: I usually just get beef strips then have them ground up in front of me. Better quality meat, most often cheaper, and tastes good :p

THIS! For ground meat what you do is of the essence to avoid eating rubbish!

 

About the thead in general:
Doctors don't forbid red meat, but they suggest to reduce meat consumption in general and to eat red meat AT MOST two meals a week, and to increase fish consumption. Also, doctors suggest to reduce meat and increase its quality, this is not to be meant as choosing luxury cuts, but choosing high quality animals, bred with natural food and without hormones (finally, after years of unjust WTO sanctions that our imbecile thug Romano Prodi could have avoided, but he didn't, EU is starting been recognized right for refusing hormone ridden livestock). Even within red meat, game and free range bred livestock are far healthier than intensive breeding livestock. And despite having more calories, pig contains fat less harmful for our health than beef and lamb, it contains more unsaturated and polyunsaturated fats and less saturated ones (particularly if fed naturally), pig can so be healthy if quantity eaten isn't excessive.
And always eat vegetables, particularly when you eat meat, they'll protect your colon! (Cabbage, kale and chicory families are the best for this purpose, but eat also other vegetables, each one is rich in some nutrients).
Also, people should reduce chicken and eggs consumption, but choosing only free range, or at worst, at least not bred in cages, animals.
Finally, to avoid damaging seas and oceans, we should eat a wider variety of fishes, instead of just a few tens species in each country, that takes such species to undergo overfishing.
The essence, though, is that we generally eat too much, we should privilege quality to quantity.

Rath said: I find some of those quotes you posted nonsensical Dr. Grass because we are an omnivorous species. Biologically we have features that are only present in meat eating species which allow us to consume and digest meat. I'm not saying that it's not possible to have a nutritionally complete diet without meat by the way, I'm just saying it's bollocks to claim that humans were never meant to eat meat at all. However we've vastly increased our intake of meat in a very short period of time (on an evolutionary timescale) which is what is leading to health problems.   Oh and I agree with the environmental concerns. The oceans are a complete disaster waiting to happen (or actually already happening and not enough people are paying attention yet). I'm a fan of commercial fish farming for this reason. And kangaroos would be best for red meat, much more environmentally friendly to farm.

Yeah... it's kinda funny, the meat vs vegetarian health debate really sorta depends on just how much you care about your health.

If you don't care at all, your better off eating meat... because chances are you'll just live an unhealthy vegetarian/vegan lifestyle.  Stuff like ating nothing but french fries, Macaroni and cheese, potato chips. (if vegetarian) etc.

If you slightly care, your better of vegetarian, because you'll eat more healthier foods that don't nessisarily taste as good as junk food.

If you moderatly care ot care a good amount.  Your better off with meat again, even red meat, because you'll get all the vitamins you need in decent doses (of course, meat being in moderation.)

If you care an ultra lot... it's about a break even point. 

Note by the way when they say a "20% increased chance of heart disease.  They don't mean you'd go from say... 5% to 25%.  They mean you'd go from 5% to 6%.

TLDR, Essentially, if you convinced the average 1st world person to go on a vegetarian diet or just removed the option, they'd probably end up in worse health cause they'd still eat nothing but garbage.