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Mr Puggsly said:
Allfreedom99 said:

So if abortion is indeed ending a human being's life and taking away their individual right to live can be defined as murder then why justify doing it because the mother dosn't want that individual when they are birthed? Why not give the child up for adoption instead of taking away that individual's right to live?

Because I don't believe there are enough people that want to adopt these children. I don't want to force women to keep children they don't want either.

There is.

There are tons of people looking to adopt babys who can't due to low supply.

Seems counterintutive since there are tons of kids who go unadopted, but the truth is...

people want babies.  Any Baby put up for adoption now adays is readily snapped up... and babies are in such short supply that we litteraly import them... and many more would be imported if not for strict laws in regards to it.

It's just... once a kid hits 2 or so... he's considered "Damaged goods".   Already has the smell of someone else on it... or something I don't know, i don't want kids so I really don't get the mindset.



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Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?

It becomes a human when the brain is developed enough to support some kind of conciousness.



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KungKras said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?

It becomes a human when the brain is developed enough to support some kind of conciousness.

So... sometime after birth then.



Kasz216 said:
KungKras said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?

It becomes a human when the brain is developed enough to support some kind of conciousness.

So... sometime after birth then.

Are you saying newborn babies do not have a conciousness?



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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

The GOP, for minorities, means "Jews" for the most part, eventhough you get token minorities in there.  These tokens operate under a delusional belief that they are immune to systemic and social values that cause people to be discriminated against.  Such individuals end up thinking, by gumption, they are just plain superior and thus don't need to worry about such things.  

This is the current reality of things.  In the past, the Democratic Party was the home of racists.  But now, it isn't as a rule.  

I'm not really sure what the first sentence is supposed to mean, but the rest of this is pretty enlightening as to how Richard Hutnik thinks: minorities who are Republicans are merely tokens who are operating under a delusion. And it's the Republicans who are racists.

Also, I'm pretty sure any non-white racist is likely to be a Democrat, or at least not a Republican for sure. And only Democrats can get away with open race-mongering.EIU as the military wing of their party really means nothing.

The reality is that there are very few African Americans that are part of the GOP.  Same goes with homosexuals.  Hispanics are partly there, but usually don't support much.  Jews are more of an exception here.  I base what I am saying on a quote by a Republican who was asked about minorities in the GOP, and he spoke of there being some Jews around.

You would be right in regards to a racist who is non-white not being Republican (and likely Democrat), at least in this era (since the shift that has happened after Nixon was president).  Non-whites aren't there much, and those who are operate under the reasons I stated.

And there is evidence for what I speak of:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118937/republican-base-heavily-white-conservative-religious.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 6 in 10 Republicans today are white conservatives, while most of the rest are whites with other ideological leanings; only 11% of Republicans are Hispanics, or are blacks or members of other races. By contrast, only 12% of Democrats are white conservatives, while about half are white moderates or liberals and a third are nonwhite.

 

This poll was from 2009.  Find a more recent one to refute it.

 

And this one from 2008 points to diversity deficit with the GOP:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10464.html

At the start of the Bush years, the Republican National Committee — in tandem with the White House — vowed to usher in a new era of GOP minority outreach. As George W. Bush winds down his presidency, Republicans are now on the verge of going six — and probably more — years without an African-American governor, senator or House member.

 

That’s the longest such streak since the 1980s.

 

The original post fails to end up recruiting anyone of diversity to the GOP, while, at best, merely is meant to drive minorities away from the Democratic Party.



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KungKras said:
Kasz216 said:
KungKras said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?

It becomes a human when the brain is developed enough to support some kind of conciousness.

So... sometime after birth then.

Are you saying newborn babies do not have a conciousness?

Not anymore then the last few weeks of an allowed abortion.

And less so then animals we routinly slaughter for food etc.



richardhutnik said:

This poll was from 2009.  Find a more recent one to refute it.

I didn't dispute your analysis of the racial make up of the Republican Party. I took issue with your calling minorities who have chosen to be Republicans "tokens" who are "operating under a delusion".

We should probably note, though, that in 2010 - just two years after your second article was written - the Republicans fielded more black candidates than they had in decades, if not ever. Of course only Tim Scott and Allen West won election, but that's really out of the Republicans' hands (racists or not).



lordmandeep said:
"It's like what Bill Maher once said: Not all Republicans are racists, but if you are racist you are probably a Republican (I'm paraphrasing). "

Using that Logic then there is nothing wrong with saying "Not all Muslims are Terrorists, but all terrorist are Muslim"

You can't have it both ways...

The logic works but all the same conditions have to be met.  In the Republican case, Maher was talking about the 2 parties that control American politics in the present. A specific situation that is concentrated in one specific area of the world; and reducing racism to that of caucasians towards non-caucasians.

You Muslim example doesn't work because you made it too broad.  But if you were to say "not all Muslims are Terrorists, but if you are a terrorist in the Middle East then you are probably a Muslim", then the logic would have some sense.



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Kasz216 said:
KungKras said:
Kasz216 said:
KungKras said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?

It becomes a human when the brain is developed enough to support some kind of conciousness.

So... sometime after birth then.

Are you saying newborn babies do not have a conciousness?

Not anymore then the last few weeks of an allowed abortion.

And less so then animals we routinly slaughter for food etc.

I do think a newborn has more brain power than say, a cow.

Anyways, I think that as soon as activity starts in the brain of the fetus, it becomes a human being, because it gains a human conciousness.



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Allfreedom99 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Rath said:
Allfreedom99 said:
 

still the life in the womb is a human being in development no matter any way you try to look at it. and by terminating that life one is ending a human life. So when it comes to abortion we always hear "oh its up to the mother to have the right to choose."

Its like saying, "since this human being does not yet have a concious and therefore does not have a voice to claim it has a right to live then we can justify killing it."

What real justification is there for ending the life of a human being in the womb? can you name one?


There are no convincing arguments that a fetus is a person, therefore there is no convincing reason why women should not be allowed to have abortions.

Well a fetus has a heart beat after just a few weeks so it appears to me an abortion kills something that's alive. Now is it a person... well that seems like a subjective argument.

My gut says abortions are technically murder. However, we don't have a solution to really deal with all these unwanted children. So I'm only pro choice because nobody wants these children.

So if abortion is indeed ending a human being's life and taking away their individual right to live can be defined as murder then why justify doing it because the mother dosn't want that individual when they are birthed? Why not give the child up for adoption instead of taking away that individual's right to live?

Here we get into the difference between 'human life' and a 'person'. Ending a fetus is not murder if it is not considered a person.

@Jumping. In the early stages a fetus has no brain activity at all.

@Kasz. The definition of a planet is based on rigid parameters - it has to have its shape defined by gravity and it has to have cleared its orbit. 'I think therefore I am' is not a rigid scientific statement, it's a philisophical one.

 

@Kasz again. A newborn has a HUGELY more developed brain that a fetus at say ~25 weeks.