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Are humans invaluable?

Yes 35 47.95%
 
No 21 28.77%
 
For the moment, yes 4 5.48%
 
See results 13 17.81%
 
Total:73
Porcupine_I on 09 March 2012

The U.S. Bureau of Chemistry and Soils invested many a hard-earned tax dollar in calculating the chemical and mineral composition of the human body, which breaks down as follows:
65% Oxygen
18% Carbon
10% Hydrogen
3% Nitrogen
1.5% Calcium
1% Phosphorous
0.35% Potassium
0.25% Sulfur
0.15% Sodium
0.15% Chlorine
0.05% Magnesium
0.0004% Iron
0.00004% Iodine

Additionally, it was discovered that our bodies contain trace quantities of fluorine, silicon, manganese, zinc, copper, aluminum, and arsenic. Together, all of the above amounts to less than one dollar!



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 09 March 2012
Porcupine_I said:
The U.S. Bureau of Chemistry and Soils invested many a hard-earned tax dollar in calculating the chemical and mineral composition of the human body, which breaks down as follows:
65% Oxygen
18% Carbon
10% Hydrogen
3% Nitrogen
1.5% Calcium
1% Phosphorous
0.35% Potassium
0.25% Sulfur
0.15% Sodium
0.15% Chlorine
0.05% Magnesium
0.0004% Iron
0.00004% Iodine

Additionally, it was discovered that our bodies contain trace quantities of fluorine, silicon, manganese, zinc, copper, aluminum, and arsenic. Together, all of the above amounts to less than one dollar!


Well, the actual value lies in their composition ;)



radishhead on 09 March 2012
Zim said:
I know this isn't exactly the question you were asking The1 but I thought it would be interesting for people. If you take into account sales of organs, metals in the body etc then a human is worth £420,000. As in purely as a physical thing all the parts of us are worth that.

Your question was more related to worth as a person but still thought it was interesting ^_^

Hmm- I guess there could be real money to be made "selling" people in this way, huh? Disturbing stuff



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snakenobi on 09 March 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:


they can do the same thing our brains do but we will have to give them the order

 

its not rude or stupid,its called critical thinking which you absolutely have none.

 

lower your arrogance and research when you don't have much info or you will laughed at if you met any intelligent people in your life.


Now, that was rude.

 

And how the actual fuck am I supposed to do research about how computers look hundreds of years from now? Do you lack basic logic in your reasoning? All I am saying is that computers and robots are in fact getting smarter/more advanced every day, and they will and even in some cases are capable of acting without any interaction from humans. So brain-like computers will probably exist.

that wasn't rude but help

intelligent people take it and better themselves

egoistic people think its against them.

 

you don't have to look what will happen 100,000 years from now.you have to look how the technology is made.

the technology only improves with time like efficiency of car today is more than efficiency of a car 100 years ago.

 

"probably exist"

show that you are just guessing and have no real understanding of what you are talking about.



Roma on 09 March 2012
Baalzamon said:
You know, I have one thing I want to say, and the thought comes to my mind every time I see people indicate that we are the most intelligent animals on earth.

What determines us to be the most intelligent animals on Earth? Isn't it none other than our own definition of intelligence, and to dive even deeper into it, our own interpretation of ourselves according to said definition?

So, according to a definition created by humans, and an interpretation made by humans, humans are the most intelligent animal on Earth.

Intelligence is nothing but humans own interpretation of things. Who's to say other animals don't think we are stupid as hell for some of the things we do? How many animals completely devastate other animals habitats, with only money in mind, and not seeming to care at all what will happen to the animals? How many animals completely destroy the relationship that has existed that allows animals to balance each other out, and not drive each other into nonexistence? How many other animals have complete all out wars where they blow the shit out of each other over the stupidest of arguments (My religion is the right one, not yours, lets fight!)

No, I'm not some animal freak (or an environment freak, for that matter...I couldn't care less), but humans need to get the fuck over themselves. Any supposed intelligence we have is easily countered by the apparent stupidity that is also in every one of us.

OT: I personally don't think humans are that "valuable", mostly for the reasons above. Yes, I love my family, and would be absolutely devastated to see them leave, but in general, I don't put any more value to Bill Gates than I put to the squirrel running through my backyard.

Intelligence is based on learning, creating and solving. Some animals can learn other can learn and create (paintings if taught) but there is no animal (that I know of) that creates things on their own. Sure they can use tools like a stick or a rock to crack open an egg, dig up worms and that is intelligence.

 

We humans are more intelligent as we can learn so much or ells we would not be on the internet and writing and whatever.

 

Everything living has a soul (that’s what makes the body “live”) and for me the bigger the animal is the harder it is for me to kill it. I mean compare a mosquito too a cat for example. Of course I would kill the cat and leave the poor mosquito alone!

 

As for humans hmm if you would ask me to kill a killer or a normal nice human I would kill the killer as that = less humans dead. But if you’re talking about intelligence then I can’t answer that. I would prefer not too choose who dies unless it’s about a killer…





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RVDondaPC on 09 March 2012

There's actually a formula that puts a value on human life used by the government to determine how rigid safety guidelines should be. It weighs the cost of implementing the safety standard vs. the value of it's life saving potential.



d0nni3 on 09 March 2012

Easy no more or less than any other thing on this planet, we are worth nothing to an outsider looking in, value is a human invention.



Jay520 on 09 March 2012
The Fury said:
Human's have a soul, this is the priceless part, even if you don't believe in said entity. The human life and existence is priceless. Human life is fragile and can be lost by the smallest of things.

What you described as potentially becoming more valuable is AI recreating life and a soul, or synthetics representing life. This is not real, it's pretend, a bunch of protocols or electronic signals telling itself it is alive, not knowing to begin with. It hasn't learned and developed as life should to exist.

That said if an extraterrestrial life was a common known part of our existence, that would be sacred too because of the intelligence involved and in how nature created such beings.

AI in fiction is the best example. Joss Whedon's piss poor attempted in his second story in Astonishing X-men is an example, A pure AI gained intelligence (from where this is unexplained, he's that great a writer) and he tries and pass it off like this 'life' is as important as any of the X-men. In the end it still an AI, artificial life.


I want to reply to you but first I want to know what is your definition of a soul.



Jay520 on 09 March 2012
snakenobi said:


they can do the same thing our brains do but we will have to give them the order

 

 

its not rude or stupid,its called critical thinking which you absolutely have none.

 

lower your arrogance and research when you don't have much info or you will laughed at if you met any intelligent people in your life.


They don't have to do the same things as humans. If I'm understanding THE1 correctly, then the computers don't have to operate in the exact same function as a human brain, they simply have to do so well enough that we humans think they are mimicking human brains. 

I don't think there will ever be a computer that can completely mimick a human brain, but I do believe that sometime in the future, technology will progress enough to the point that we can percieve it that way. I'd say that's certainly possible.



Andrespetmonkey on 09 March 2012
snakenobi said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:


they can do the same thing our brains do but we will have to give them the order

 

its not rude or stupid,its called critical thinking which you absolutely have none.

 

lower your arrogance and research when you don't have much info or you will laughed at if you met any intelligent people in your life.


Now, that was rude.

 

And how the actual fuck am I supposed to do research about how computers look hundreds of years from now? Do you lack basic logic in your reasoning? All I am saying is that computers and robots are in fact getting smarter/more advanced every day, and they will and even in some cases are capable of acting without any interaction from humans. So brain-like computers will probably exist.

that wasn't rude but help

intelligent people take it and better themselves

egoistic people think its against them.

 

you don't have to look what will happen 100,000 years from now.you have to look how the technology is made.

the technology only improves with time like efficiency of car today is more than efficiency of a car 100 years ago.

 

"probably exist"

show that you are just guessing and have no real understanding of what you are talking about.

That's funny coming from you, you're probably the most egotistical person I've seen on here. 



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