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Acevil said:
My question is simple, why is Nintendo generally ignored when it comes to Japanese games?

Because Nintendo are very successful and a good argument against the opinion they want to push down everyone's throats. Therefore it's easier to ignore the fact that they exist.

Plus, it's a well known fact games for children also suck.



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Acevil said:
pezus said:
famousringo said:
Acevil said:
My question is simple, why is Nintendo generally ignored when it comes to Japanese games?


It's strange. I think what happens psychologically is that you look at the exceptional one and dismiss it as an exception. The rules clearly don't apply to Nintendo, so there's no point in bringing up Nintendo when discussing the rules. The error is that the exceptional ones are just as much a part of the system as the more ordinary examples.

You see this kind of thing elsewhere. Analysts are starting to cut Apple out of their market analysis.The company is huge yet still growing so rapidly, and so the analysts say it's distorting the picture of the market as a whole. They then proceed to paint a bleak picture of market performance. Well of course things look bleak, you just sliced the biggest engine of growth completely out of the picture!

See my post above. He uses Zelda as an example, so he's not entirely ignoring Nintendo

A lot of people enjoyed Zelda, and it is a great game (Do remember he said Japanese games suck, which would imply that they are flat out bad games), personally I think west rather praise Call of Duty or Battlefield, games which really share similar complaints as Zelda does.

What about the highest rated game this generation, why is that ignored, wait did I say highest rated game, I meant the two highest rated game this generation. 


Yes you would be correct in your setiment,, Those games are the kind of games that fit with there "cinematic games"," I want movies and games to share the same shelf" or "games adults play" agenda.  Nintendos games and just video games in general  are the anti christ to these goals.



Barozi said:
trolling statement ? Yes
truth ? not quite but hardly false IMO

truer words



Nintendo is simply excluded because they managed to keep the quality. Same is true (to a slightly lesser extent) for Capcom. But then ?
Some very popular and critically acclaimed Japanese gaming series are dying in case of sales, quality or even both.

Pro Evolution Soccer
Final Fantasy
Kingdom Hearts
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Dragon Ball Z fighting games

Well you get the idea.



I find this hillarious!



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Barozi said:

Nintendo is simply excluded because they managed to keep the quality. Same is true (to a slightly lesser extent) for Capcom. But then ?
Some very popular and critically acclaimed Japanese gaming series are dying in case of sales, quality or even both.

Pro Evolution Soccer
Final Fantasy
Kingdom Hearts
Tekken
Soul Calibur
Dragon Ball Z fighting games

Well you get the idea.



I will admit Im happy to see SE on that list. There Milking has destroyed the value of those IP's

I feel bad for this guy and anyone who thinks the same.
People like that are are arrogant. Thinking their way is the best way.

Just because you don't like Japanese games, it doesn't mean they suck. It means your taste in games sucks.

and LOL at his comments on twitter. He is obviously an attention whore trying to get publicity for his no-name game I have no interest in looking up.



Barozi said:
trolling statement ? Yes
truth ? not quite but hardly false IMO


it's not trolling if it's true.

if you compare games from NES, SNES, n64- you know the great games of the past. to today's garbage you see why he in most ways are right.
its like japan is stuck spinning in circles, or worse, regressing.
does anything on the wii compare to super mario 64? heck no. super mario galaxy is worse then mario 64...
mario party 1-3 was fun. mario party 8? sucks.
JRPGs were great back on the PS1 and earlier, when games couldn't do much, it's a new era now and a JRPG can be updated to be... idk, fun for more then just the huge fans.

take the tales series, the only JRPG short of pokemon i have cared about.
tales of vesperia was kinda fun, but it had almost no side quests... it talked about guilds and stuff, why not let me join all the differnt guilds like skyrim? with their own quest lines?
tales of vesperia had a few mini side quests but nothing spectacular or something that feels important.
thankfully the combat wasn't turn based like final fantasy, real time combat please? i mean some people like turn based but does every JRPG have to be turn based?

pokemon is a JRPG that to an extent does it right. lets look at pokemon gold, one of the best.
you have the main story, then you have the bonus of the next area which is basically the original pokemon red/blue.
you also have the battle tower.
and if your dedicated you have the "catch X pokemon" or even more dedicated "catch ALL the pokemon"
above all, it was a hand held ( hand helds you expect to be worse then console, we all do)
and, iirc, pokemon gold, was on the gameboy color, this thing came out like 7-10 years ago. it's sad that games today are LESS fun then games 10 years ago.
and that is why, japanese games suck ( well all games suck this gen it seems, but japanese games seem to have taken the BIGGEST hit.



I don't see why the West gets a free pass here. There are plenty examples of Western developers who are entrenched in the old ways of thinking or straying from good game design. Seems a little ethnocentric to pick on the flaws in Japanese development.



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Japanese games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Western ones

Almost all my favorite games and franchises happen to be Japanese, wasn't intentional or anything, I just like them a lot better