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fillet on 23 February 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
Runa216 said:
I think everyone should go gay...or atleast Bisexual. Imagine the pregnancy-free consequences! "Well, I dun want babies, so I'll just do my boyfriend instead.." not only is there NO chance of pregnancy, but if you know you've both clean, you don't need a condom either! you probably should use one, but you don't have to!

And we can all agree, more lesbians would be fun.

Only if they turn out like Ellen (and not like Rosie).


Rosie is clearly a transexual and not gay at all.



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theprof00 on 23 February 2012
osamanobama said:
MrBubbles said:

this is a reference to a comment by santorum in the republican debate

 

im just curious if anyone knows what it has been proven to do?  because it definitely is not preventing sex.


wait, abstaining from sex doesnt prevent sex?

if you dont mind me asking, What does?

Nothing short of locking them in a room, forever, or chastity belts.

You can't control people.



thranx on 23 February 2012
theprof00 said:
thranx said:

If they have the time and effort/ability to find male partners to have intercousre with they should have the time effort/ability to get to a location that can supply them with birth control.

 

In boston the planned parents hood offers

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/centerDetails.asp?f=3293&a=90610&v=details

"Specialty Services

Pills Now Pay Later® is available at this health center — a service that allows you to visit us for one appointment and walk out the door with up to a year’s supply of birth control and a convenient, low, monthly payment plan.

Pills by Mail is available at this health center — a service that delivers birth control pills to your home each month. Patients with a current prescription for some of the birth control pills that we offer at our health center can order Pills by Mail."

 

there are also 7 locations in MA

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/findCenter.asp?z=Zip+Code&s=MA&go.x=16&go.y=10

 

Lack of access to birth control is not the problem. its the way we view sex and are taught about it. I found all of this with an easy google search that any teen ager should be able to accomplish. If they want the birth control they will be able to get it.

 

I will add though education about birth control should be better, especially those who already get the pill as i have met many who do not know that other medications (especially anti biotics) can interfere with birth control.

C'mon thranx, pills by mail? To a teen, that's way too close to home to even think it's remotely secretive. "Hey I wonder what this small package is that my daughter is receiving anonymously every month."

A monthly payment plan also assumes they have their own unmonitored bank account.

And no, it's much much easier for a female to find a partner than to get pills, be reasonable.

I could imagine though, that the easiest way is to have a friend who's mom is very understanding. My gf's mom used to drive her kid and friends into town no questions asked, and would have Q+A about sex, etc if they had the questions. She could have probably gotten into trouble over it, but it's so important that teens are able to get answers to the questinos they have, and specifically answered by an adult they nkow than an anonymous internet post.

You can't act like the internet is the best place to find information because it's also the number one source of misinformation as well.

my main point is that if a teen wants to be on birth control they have many avenues to do so that does not involve parents, and they do have options, I only did a quick search and i'm sure every state is slightly different but there are free options to get the pills in every state and it looks as though a parents consent is not needed, I also forgot that i have never been to a hospitial/clinic that did not offer free condoms. I would also add if you can't hold a job and get a car perhaps you should not be focusing on sex and instead on those things. I dont know if your a US citizen or not, but our view on sexualtiy and how we teach kids about is absurd. I dont think its access to the pills that is the problem, but the education behind them and sex in general. Now that i think of it though, i would blame the media the most, sex is shoved in teens faces all over the place. Sorry if the post is a little all over the place i'll try to come back and clean it up later.



usrevenge on 23 February 2012

teach abstinence, but teach contraception too.
here are so many good birth control options out there now that its absurd to only teach abstinence.
how is birth control controversial?
condoms are little more then a piece of latex in between you and the girl.
birth control pills are little more then hormones to trick the womans body into thinking she is pregnant.

IDK how IUDs work but my ex gf had one when we dated, they last 3-5 YEARS and can be removed if you want kids... its the perfect birth control as far as i'm concerned.



Ail on 23 February 2012
osamanobama said:
MrBubbles said:

this is a reference to a comment by santorum in the republican debate

 

im just curious if anyone knows what it has been proven to do?  because it definitely is not preventing sex.


wait, abstaining from sex doesnt prevent sex?

if you dont mind me asking, What does?

With Bristol Palin as one of the loudest speaker for abstinence these days you have to ask that ?



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Rath on 23 February 2012
Squilliam said:
Rath said:
Squilliam said:
We should teach all children that same sex = better sex, unless they're gay. I don't want gay people to have sex with people of the same sex so if you're gay you have to have sex with the opposite sex.

The benefits of this are three fold.

1. Kids won't rush into having sex, so abstinence will be a rule not an exception until a far later age.

2. Almost no risk of pregnancy even if they do have sex.

3. Men won't have to put up with women and women won't have to put up with men.


I think in your America there would suddenly be a whole lot more gay people

God hates people who choose to have sex with the opposite sex.


I feel religious populations might quickly dwindle =P



sethnintendo on 23 February 2012
Ail said:
osamanobama said:
MrBubbles said:

this is a reference to a comment by santorum in the republican debate

 

im just curious if anyone knows what it has been proven to do?  because it definitely is not preventing sex.


wait, abstaining from sex doesnt prevent sex?

if you dont mind me asking, What does?

With Bristol Palin as one of the loudest speaker for abstinence these days you have to ask that ?

Hey now... That is a low blow!  She is a born again virgin.



MrBubbles on 23 February 2012
sethnintendo said:
Ail said:
osamanobama said:
MrBubbles said:

this is a reference to a comment by santorum in the republican debate

 

im just curious if anyone knows what it has been proven to do?  because it definitely is not preventing sex.


wait, abstaining from sex doesnt prevent sex?

if you dont mind me asking, What does?

With Bristol Palin as one of the loudest speaker for abstinence these days you have to ask that ?

Hey now... That is a low blow!  She is a born again virgin.


a friend of my mothers tried that.   she was pregnant with her new boyfriends baby in under a month.    good effort though, i think.  probably lasted a good week and a half or so.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 23 February 2012
sethnintendo said:
Ail said:
osamanobama said:
MrBubbles said:

this is a reference to a comment by santorum in the republican debate

 

im just curious if anyone knows what it has been proven to do?  because it definitely is not preventing sex.


wait, abstaining from sex doesnt prevent sex?

if you dont mind me asking, What does?

With Bristol Palin as one of the loudest speaker for abstinence these days you have to ask that ?

Hey now... That is a low blow!  She is a born again virgin.

At a first glance, I misread that as "She is a born again vagina".   



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Aielyn on 23 February 2012

theprof00 said:

 Interestingly enough, the actual details of the study can't be found anywhere. It has not been peer-reviewed, methods not tested, etc etc.

Actually, the article tells you where to find it: "Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine" (which is peer-reviewed)

And it is there: http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/164/2/152

However, as always, context is everything. Here's a few bits of information from the abstract:

"Urban public schools"

"A total of 662 African American students in grades 6 and 7"

"The primary outcome was self-report of ever having sexual intercourse by the 24-month follow-up. Secondary outcomes were other sexual behaviors."

So basically, they're looking only at African American students, those students are in grades 6 and 7 (many kids aren't sexually active at that point, anyway), and the primary outcome is based on self-reporting.

It seems to me that, if you're 12 years old, and being taught abstinence only, you're less likely to report having sex even if you are having sex. So right there, I see a flaw in their reasoning.