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greenmedic88 said:
Euphoria14 said:
You also mention it as being a Android based device, but you and I both know that all Android devices (Phones especially) become real laggy after a while and require reboots, task killers, cache dumps, etc... just to speed it back up.

That is the last thing anyone would want with something they would most definitely use as a dedicated gaming device.

One moment Uncharted runs great, next time you boot it up it's lagging out the ass. "Ok, time to reboot the Vita and clear out some stuff. Ah fuck, stupid AT&T bloatware is strangling my Vita and I can't delete it unless I mod it. Hope that doesn't block me from PSN."

It would be a disaster and I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole, and we know that I am one who enjoys gaming on my phone, but that kind of gaming that I enjoy is different.

I'm sure they could find a way to shut down all background processes when running a PSV game. As a game centric device, it's fairly reasonable to expect priority to be given to game software, even if at the cost of background services.

I game on my phone a bit as well, but not in the same capacity. 15 minutes is usally the max per session and even then, it's not a common occurence.

Maybe a question for you and any PSV/smartphone owner would be if you could add an earpiece to your PSV and pay for a cell/data plan, would you ditch your current smartphone and whatever apps you use with it?

So once you start gaming it shuts down the phone features? Kind of defeats the purpose of what the OP wants doesn't it? Going to look into the Ubuntu thing Superchunk is talking about though.

As for your question, I wouldn't. I like my phones to be small in size and I wouldn't want the Vita to be that small. I actually really like the size of the Vita, especially once I connect the PDP Trigger Grips to it, which is the way I play it.

 

Thinking about it though, maybe there is a way to make it work. If it slides out it would need to do so by sliding out from the sides, that way once it is pulled out it almost perfect mimics the PSV form factor, although the tracks placed on the back of the device would still kill the chances of keeping the rear touch pad... so I'm still having issue there.

Then I run into another problem and that is I wouldn't want a new, updated, more feature rich and spec upgraded version to worry about each year. How long would that take for early adopter to be left with new games that just don't run quite right? I already run into this issue with my phone and I don't have that kind of disposable income. I want to make (1) purchase that is 100% dedicated to my games that won't make me feel like the odd man out 5 years down the road.



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Euphoria14 said:
superchunk said:

 Vita will be outaded by smartphones by next year. (This comment is to a lot more posters in this thread that just the one I'm quoting.)


No it won't because those phones will require you to play games with your fingers taking up precious screen real estate and half assed controls for many big time genres such as 1st person shooters. Smartphone controls are outdated already. I love my phone but I can easily admit this. Controls for most games absolutely SUCK.

Also, how do you figure it wouldn't get any thicker? Gonna collapse the sticks and turn them into nubs again? Gonna make it so you could press the sticks in and then slide the phone back in (Then you could accidentally collapse them during gameplay I assume). How you gonna pop them back out, grab them and pull?  Maybe erase all tactile feedback and make them like the Xperia Plays touch analog pads? <- Yuck...

Going to ditch the back touchpad I assume? Not gonna buy a phone where you can't put a simple casing on that protects the entire thing. People toss their phones around, that is why they buy these cases that protect them the entire way around.

Now if you manage to pull everything off and make it slide, you run into the old problem of cramped hands. I don't need that back. Like I said, the thing is a dedicated gaming device and I for one appreciate that the sticks and buttons are spaced out and the device has the size it has, but I would hate that size if it were my phone.

My bolded statement was referring to hardware capabilities, not gaming controls.

I did state it would get thicker (front to back), but it would also not be as wide (left to right) and the same height (top to bottom). Definitely not the Play's touch pad option, bleh. However, maybe more like 3DS analog pads.

Yes, I don't think the back touchpad will prove to be anything more than an occasional nuisance. There are tons of slider phones out there already and they all have cases, so I don't see you're point with this one.

I don't see the tens of millions of DS and 3DS players complaining about cramped hands. I do recognize that there is a preference to wider vs narrower, but I don't this would affect it in the long run. I'd bet 99% of people buying Vita would still buy it regardless, but add to that a far higher number of users who are more like me and the few others that have agreed with me so far in this thread.



Another big time problem I would had is that the way Vita is now, it would have no doubt been exclusive to a carrier, most likely AT&T.

I still have 9 months left on my contract and I not eligible for a full upgrade. Vita as it is now set me back $250 before adding in games. If it was a phone expect me to have had to shell out either $500+ (Although I easily see ~$600-700 easy) right now or wait until a couple months down the line and shell out $250 AND lock myself into another 2-year plan at ridiculous rates.

If it wasn't AT&T then I would have to wait until October to even get one and even then I still get locked into a 2-year agreement.

I am dumping my plan once October hits and taking my current phone and hopping over to Metro PCS, which would give me more than I get now but for $100/month for both phones rather than the $160/month I pay now.


If Vita was a phone I would have never got one.



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superchunk said:
Euphoria14 said:
superchunk said:
 

 Vita will be outaded by smartphones by next year. (This comment is to a lot more posters in this thread that just the one I'm quoting.)


No it won't because those phones will require you to play games with your fingers taking up precious screen real estate and half assed controls for many big time genres such as 1st person shooters. Smartphone controls are outdated already. I love my phone but I can easily admit this. Controls for most games absolutely SUCK.

Also, how do you figure it wouldn't get any thicker? Gonna collapse the sticks and turn them into nubs again? Gonna make it so you could press the sticks in and then slide the phone back in (Then you could accidentally collapse them during gameplay I assume). How you gonna pop them back out, grab them and pull?  Maybe erase all tactile feedback and make them like the Xperia Plays touch analog pads? <- Yuck...

Going to ditch the back touchpad I assume? Not gonna buy a phone where you can't put a simple casing on that protects the entire thing. People toss their phones around, that is why they buy these cases that protect them the entire way around.

Now if you manage to pull everything off and make it slide, you run into the old problem of cramped hands. I don't need that back. Like I said, the thing is a dedicated gaming device and I for one appreciate that the sticks and buttons are spaced out and the device has the size it has, but I would hate that size if it were my phone.

My bolded statement was referring to hardware capabilities, not gaming controls.

I did state it would get thicker (front to back), but it would also not be as wide (left to right) and the same height (top to bottom). Definitely not the Play's touch pad option, bleh. However, maybe more like 3DS analog pads.

Yes, I don't think the back touchpad will prove to be anything more than an occasional nuisance. There are tons of slider phones out there already and they all have cases, so I don't see you're point with this one.

I don't see the tens of millions of DS and 3DS players complaining about cramped hands. I do recognize that there is a preference to wider vs narrower, but I don't this would affect it in the long run. I'd bet 99% of people buying Vita would still buy it regardless, but add to that a far higher number of users who are more like me and the few others that have agreed with me so far in this thread.

I like the width of the Vita, so if it was a slider device I would want it to slide out from both sides that way the form factor mimic that of the current device. Any other way would cause my hands to cramp.

Can you have a case for that?



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Euphoria14 said:

So once you start gaming it shuts down the phone features? Kind of defeats the purpose of what the OP wants doesn't it? Going to look into the Ubuntu thing Superchunk is talking about though.

As for your question, I wouldn't. I like my phones to be small in size and I wouldn't want the Vita to be that small. I actually really like the size of the Vita, especially once I connect the PDP Trigger Grips to it, which is the way I play it.

 

Thinking about it though, maybe there is a way to make it work. If it slides out it would need to do so by sliding out from the sides, that way once it is pulled out it almost perfect mimics the PSV form factor, although the tracks placed on the back of the device would still kill the chances of keeping the rear touch pad... so I'm still having issue there.

Then I run into another problem and that is I wouldn't want a new, updated, more feature rich and spec upgraded version to worry about each year. How long would that take for early adopter to be left with new games that just don't run quite right? I already run into this issue with my phone and I don't have that kind of disposable income. I want to make (1) purchase that is 100% dedicated to my games that won't make me feel like the odd man out 5 years down the road.

Sort of yeah.

I think it would want to be fully featured but with normal user controls and setups.

So, you could turn on or off all the notification types you already get. You could set other background stuff to be off during game sessions etc... maybe even incoming calls if you wish. But, default would be to have it all on and that shouldn't be a big difference as the 360 and PS3 already do this to varying degrees.

As for your new design... well that is a bit different as phones do come out yearly or sooner. I'd see this device being no different than other handhelds from Sony and Nintendo though. They both have slight design changes every couple years at most. So why not a new PSPhone every two years or so to match growing tech and consumers contracts.

This would make carriers happy and provide continued hardware revenue for Sony since these devices are not loss leaders at point of sale. Additionally, you will need this type of continued growth as phones will continue to grow at a very fast rate as they are simply computers and we know how often that changes.

However, the software will need to remain back and forward compatible as it mostly is now with phone OSs. With incremental changes, I don't think this would ever been an issue. You'd easily get 5-6 years of new software with this approach as per the norm, if you chose to not upgrade to a newer phone for that long, but in reality who does that?

Keep in mind that my idea is that this would be your phone as such there would no difference in people's behaviors.



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Euphoria14 said:

I like the width of the Vita, so if it was a slider device I would want it to slide out from both sides that way the form factor mimic that of the current device. Any other way would cause my hands to cramp.

Can you have a case for that?

Really I don't know on that one. I don't think that would be the design anyone would put out as a device. Like I said, the slider vs candybar style is the only real factor difference here and that is purely opinion based. But, I think Nintendo and the many flip/slider phones already in existance demonstrate that this would not be a big negative overall for this design. Maybe for you personally, but not for the greater majority.



Euphoria14 said:

So once you start gaming it shuts down the phone features? Kind of defeats the purpose of what the OP wants doesn't it? Going to look into the Ubuntu thing Superchunk is talking about though.

As for your question, I wouldn't. I like my phones to be small in size and I wouldn't want the Vita to be that small. I actually really like the size of the Vita, especially once I connect the PDP Trigger Grips to it, which is the way I play it.

 

Thinking about it though, maybe there is a way to make it work. If it slides out it would need to do so by sliding out from the sides, that way once it is pulled out it almost perfect mimics the PSV form factor, although the tracks placed on the back of the device would still kill the chances of keeping the rear touch pad... so I'm still having issue there.

Then I run into another problem and that is I wouldn't want a new, updated, more feature rich and spec upgraded version to worry about each year. How long would that take for early adopter to be left with new games that just don't run quite right? I already run into this issue with my phone and I don't have that kind of disposable income. I want to make (1) purchase that is 100% dedicated to my games that won't make me feel like the odd man out 5 years down the road.

And that right there is the reason why the majority of potential PSV buyers would stick with the platform as is. 

Part of the reason why I don't game on my iPhone much anymore is that any graphics intensive games developed within the past year won't run usably on it, and understandably so. Smartphones have about a two year operational life after which, you really can't expect to be able to run more than the same apps you've been running (tough when a lot of apps have automatic updates) and certainly not any apps that take full advantage of current processor/hardware updates. 

Lastly, and I think I'm not the only one in this boat; I'm not buying a new handheld gaming phone every two years. Assuming the PSV platform doesn't go down like the Titanic, like most people who already bought a PSV, I expect to be playing current games on it 4 years from now at minimum. That's the reason why I buy dedicated gaming platforms.



greenmedic88 said:
Euphoria14 said:

So once you start gaming it shuts down the phone features? Kind of defeats the purpose of what the OP wants doesn't it? Going to look into the Ubuntu thing Superchunk is talking about though.

As for your question, I wouldn't. I like my phones to be small in size and I wouldn't want the Vita to be that small. I actually really like the size of the Vita, especially once I connect the PDP Trigger Grips to it, which is the way I play it.

 

Thinking about it though, maybe there is a way to make it work. If it slides out it would need to do so by sliding out from the sides, that way once it is pulled out it almost perfect mimics the PSV form factor, although the tracks placed on the back of the device would still kill the chances of keeping the rear touch pad... so I'm still having issue there.

Then I run into another problem and that is I wouldn't want a new, updated, more feature rich and spec upgraded version to worry about each year. How long would that take for early adopter to be left with new games that just don't run quite right? I already run into this issue with my phone and I don't have that kind of disposable income. I want to make (1) purchase that is 100% dedicated to my games that won't make me feel like the odd man out 5 years down the road.

And that right there is the reason why the majority of potential PSV buyers would stick with the platform as is. 

Part of the reason why I don't game on my iPhone much anymore is that any graphics intensive games developed within the past year won't run usably on it, and understandably so. Smartphones have about a two year operational life after which, you really can't expect to be able to run more than the same apps you've been running (tough when a lot of apps have automatic updates) and certainly not any apps that take full advantage of current processor/hardware updates. 

Lastly, and I think I'm not the only one in this boat; I'm not buying a new handheld gaming phone every two years. Assuming the PSV platform doesn't go down like the Titanic, like most people who already bought a PSV, I expect to be playing current games on it 4 years from now at minimum. That's the reason why I buy dedicated gaming platforms.

Also, how long before some bigger and more badass phone comes out and everyone who bought a PSVita Phone hops over? If it doesn't stay relevant as a phone device it won't survive as a dedicated gaming device due to cost outside of contract. That alone can and most likely will hinder it's long term viability. This happens and expect it to be dropped completely and all resources shift to the 3DS, due to being a dedicated device.

Too much would need to go perfect for the idea to even be worth any of our time.

 

I say keep dedicated gaming on a dedicated device and not try to mesh everything together.



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superchunk said:

I don't understand part of your logic.

Yes the form factor would be smaller in width, same in depth, and larger in thickness. That's obvious but not a detraction in any way, IMO.

The battery/play time would be identical. The Vita has a 2200mAh battery and that is already a battery common in phones as either stock or optional. My Galaxy Nexus phone has a 1850mAh and an optional 2000mAh that barely affects its thickness. The Razr Maxx comes stock with a 3300mAh battery.

I think too many of you just don't know enough about mobile phones and their current tech. Vita will be outaded by smartphones by next year. (This comment is to a lot more posters in this thread that just the one I'm quoting.)

I think any thicker is too much. I can't wait to get my hands on the PSVita Light if it ever comes.

The battery itself may be the same, but the 3G model gets less battery time than the WiFi one. The problem is that playing games for more than 15-30 minutes at a time _and_ being a phone just isn't compatable atm. Until you can play a game for 4 hours _and_ still have charge to make a couple calls totalling 2 or 3 hours _and_ still get through the entire day (12-16 hours) without needing a charge it's just not going to work.

If SONY wants to try to make a PSVita Phone but still have the Normal PSVita, fine by me, but I won't touch the Phone with a 10 foot pole and I doubt most people would either.

For the record, I own HTC G2. The primary feature I use it for, aside from making calls, is its wi-fi hotspot capability. I have to be real careful with it though, I can only run it for a couple hours a day otherwise my phone will die before I get home.



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dharh said:

I think any thicker is too much. I can't wait to get my hands on the PSVita Light if it ever comes.

The battery itself may be the same, but the 3G model gets less battery time than the WiFi one. The problem is that playing games for more than 15-30 minutes at a time _and_ being a phone just isn't compatable atm. Until you can play a game for 4 hours _and_ still have charge to make a couple calls totalling 2 or 3 hours _and_ still get through the entire day (12-16 hours) without needing a charge it's just not going to work.

If SONY wants to try to make a PSVita Phone but still have the Normal PSVita, fine by me, but I won't touch the Phone with a 10 foot pole and I doubt most people would either.

For the record, I own HTC G2. The primary feature I use it for, aside from making calls, is its wi-fi hotspot capability. I have to be real careful with it though, I can only run it for a couple hours a day otherwise my phone will die before I get home.

Don't you have a car charger? I mean li-on batteries can be charged as often as needed. If you're a heavy user, plug in.

I don't think the thickness would be major concern.