Ah, really? Other smartphones don't require a data plan to use (though the phone companies will claim you do). They usually require data to ACTIVATE them (unless you flash 'em with a different ROM), but to USE them, there's no required data plan.

And there's PLENTY use for a smartphone without a data plan. I used one for a year and a half with no data plan and it was more than fine. I basically just couldn't surf the Internet outside of wifi access points. Not really that big a deal. You can still download and install all the apps you want and use Internet-related apps anytime you're near wifi.

Well then T-Mobile is a troll.

iphone 4. no contest. I will take my iphone everywhere with me. i will take my vita ona long road trip in which ill be sitting all day.

And a ton more.

You cant play proper games on a phone. You need controllers. Hence the PSP/DS/Vita etc

Iphone4s is £500-700 not £430, and you need to buy the £700 64GB version as the memory is not expandable/swappable in any way.

I disagree with virtually every point the op makes, and he sounds like the very definition of an iSheep.

If T-Mobile told you that, then they DEFINITELY lied to you, because (1) you can swap out SIM cards at will and the SIM doesn't broadcast what sort of device you're using*, and (2) it was while I was on T-Mobile that I did that. T-Mobile G1. Heck, I still have the device in my bedroom and used to use it as an alarm clock and remote for my blu-ray player for some time after I switched carriers and thus the phone lost all network coverage entirely.

*I say this because with carriers like Verizon, you have to have the device activated by them, so they can actually, in theory, demand that you have a data plan in order to be allowed to use certain devices. T-Mobile and other GSM carriers can't do that, since you can swap out devices at will. The only way you can be required to have a data plan is if the phone refuses to allow you to even use it without a data connection.

I guess my phone then forced me to have a data plan, or it is just the work of T-Mobile over-charging us. (Like usual.) Also T-Mobile told us that we had to have a Data Plan for even a Wi-Fi Connection. (I hardly believed that but my Mom fell for it so, eh.)

Please trim the quote tree, Nintendopie. This thread is starting to get quite hard to follow.

Sorry, there is just a ton to reply to. I am done here anyway.

well ill break this up in parts cause eaCH Unit minus apple i dont buy apple products ,

--- ill start with games

right now 3ds has the edge after what i just played. and saw in store., - i can't believe some people say its better then the 3ds launch , at least when 3ds launched it had a full ridge racer and a good asphalt /nintendogs game

i can't say the same for vita minus asphalt ignition
mod nation is ok lack of online is what hurts it over mariokart 7
and that review for ridge racer actually turned my stomach - a 4 gig card people. this bigger then any n64 cartridge but yet namco some how only got 3 tracks and 5 cars? where am i the stone age. ya games vita needs a rebirth cause these aint cutting it ,. uncharted aside- yet to play that one it looks like its the only very solid non 3ds game out

i played hustler kings demo its a pool game i have one on the 360 just like it so im not bothering with thato ne and unit 18 . its ok for a starter shooter-i played the demo ,. but ill wait for a better price or better title in that genre,
no call of duty is not it -dont mention that to me ,


as far as features go i say their evenly matched - 3ds vita both have video and picture cameras
3ds has the 3d capabilities vita has better graphics slightly for now , right now nothing really pushes it
they both have motion sensing and augumented reality cards included
one slight advantage 3ds had is the inclusion of a 2 gig sd card and it itself is not nessasary for nothing but downloads and videos taken
the vita requires for most games just on boot up .. . but thats ok , i got a 8 gig memory card , that should do just fine for me im not to heavy on downloading titles,

so far 3ds 1 tie 1 psv 1

last but not least ----- battery consumption i say 3ds edges vita in this debt just based on a youtube test of the same game im playing vs asphalt 3d on the 3ds

but overall , they both have somthing that is worth noting, --- i guess it all comes down to your taste since my taste in games is broad - ill get along just fine , ill never stick to one genre had i do that , then this would be a whole new ball game