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enditall727 on 15 February 2012
happydolphin said:
osamanobama said:

non realistic physics =/= flawed physics.

this isnt a driving simulator, having realistic physics would be retarded and terrible in this game. most games arent suited for realistic physics, being able to turn on a dime, and do unrealistic driving manovours is an integral part of this game, nothing about the physics are dated, in fact im sure there are very modern, just not realistic.

you created your account a month ago, you already have over 800 posts (which is insane) you seem to be a nintendo only gamer, yet you always seem to have very ignorant opinions on all things Sony (ignorant because it comes from somebody who hasnt played the things they are talking about). You seem to post, just to post. there seems to be no reason behind the things you say. you say this game is dated, because it doesnt have realistic physics, enough motion blur, or realistic drifting... this isnt Gran Turismo, that kind of stuff would make no sense in this game, nor would it in Mario Kart, hence why its absent from there as well. 90%+ of your posts some pointless. you want Sony to make less games, even though it would benefit you in no way, you make opinions on games you dont/havent played...

but more importantly...

WHO ARE YOU?

What does this have to do with anything? If you have qtn, just PM me.

But I'll answer. I almost always thoroughly research my posts and only talk on my experience (to its limit). TM came out yesterday in the US. I was talking given the video in the review and read it carefully. Since you shared your opinion, what experience do you have with TM? Just curious.

I am not a Nintendo only gamer. I own a 3DS and a PS2. I am a fan of Nintendo, Blizzard, Square, Capcom, Konami, Namco, and Sony. I don't like all the games these ppl make, and feel comfortable voicing my opinion because I know I'm not a troll. I say things as I see them.

The fact that I'm asked these questions is not a good thing, the fact that I was ganged up on is not a good thing. Then you wonder why this place isn't fun. My name is padib. For the record, I wonder how much opinion you've emitted on games you haven't plaeyed. I simply cannot afford all consoles and games, certainly not new releases very easily. It would be better if you judged me rather on the content of my posts. For instance, in the "Sony should make less games" thread, I don't see how I was being unreasonable, and many Sony fans seemed to agree with me (even one here who ganged up on me and hinted I was trolling).

I don't mind unrealistic physics. These, on the other hand, (unless my eyes fail me) seem either incomplete or overly simplistic. Thanks for listening.


@bolded

and this is why i decided not to respond to you earlier

 

Then you wonder why this place isn't fun.

 

to who? you??

the only reason why it's "not fun" for you right now is because you feel that you got ganged up on.

and the reason you got ganged up on was because your opinion had no backbone

an opinion without a backbone in my book is simply called "they dont know what the hell they are talking about"

 

you said that Twisted was "outdated" even though it introduced new things so i guess every other car type game is outdated aswell (Mario Kart, Need for speed, etc)

 

now lets look at Twisted Metal 1 really quick

Twisted Metal ps3

^^^you claimed that Twisted looks outdated and plays like an n64 game right? ok then

 

now lets look at some Mario kart 64

now mario kart wii

 

oh would you look at that

that gameplay is the EXACT same. The only difference is better graphics

and lets not even mention the fact that MKDD AND MKW basically has the SAME EXACT gameplay AND graphics

so since you claim that Twisted is outdated i'm sure that you would MOST DEFINITELY think that Mario Kart is outdated aswell right?

and what about all these other racing games that basically had the same gameplay for years

would you agree that they are outdated too? ;)



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blkfish92 on 15 February 2012
mjk45 said:
blkfish92 said:
Jaffe sounds angry.

now you should better understand how kratos's got his personality   since it sprang from jaffe.


Makes a lot of sense!



           

happydolphin on 15 February 2012
enditall727 said:

and what about all these other racing games that basically had the same gameplay for years

would you agree that they are outdated too? ;)

I'll just put it plainly ok. If a game has the same gameplay for years, but the industry hasn't provided ways for it to improve, I have no reference to compare with. For the little I've played of DD with my bro, and the little I saw of MKWii and MK7, I can tell you the physics, though unrealistic, are much tighter than those of MK64.

Looking at TM, it's my observation, I get the feel like, despite the years of improved driving physics, the game still seems to move like an N64 driving game. I just wasn't impressed. Of course I'll wait until I play to reserve full judgement, but given the game just came out, and given the video I saw, I could only agree with the reviewer. That's really all I'm saying.

(Added by edit: I also never said TM was outdated. I only said the driving mechanics felt like they didn't evolve. That's all I was saying.)

About this place being fun, I find it very fun myself. I was just saying some people complain sometimes, and I read it. I was just saying I can take it, and love this place. But if it happened to others I can see why they're upset sometimes. That's all I was trying to say. And thanks for not jumping on me, it would've made things worse. That I appreciate.

(Also added by edit: This thread is a perfect example of how to bully a poster and make them feel disconnected because they simply hold a diverging opinion. I hope this is never done to anyone, or to me again.)



reviniente on 16 February 2012
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
"Finally, give it a rest with the "G4 is biased against Sony" or "paid off by Microsoft"

Oh God yes, was I happy to see someone acknowledge this. Any PS3 exclusive gets less then perfect.....and all the fans cry bias and MS moneyhatting. Oh but when a 360 games scores low.....it was well deserved right?

Cry me a river/gimme a break. Just one of the cultural differences between a 360 and PS3 fan

This was not a less than perfect.

He blasted the game for being, basically, Twisted Metal.

He says there has been no evolution, yet points out that you can now change cars mid map, he also fails to point out how easy they've made the special ablities. Specials used to be left, right, up, or up,down,left,right, etc. Now, it's either up, down, left, or right, each activating a different special. They simplified the entire control mechanic, and even included a new sniping mechanic. The game is incredibly balanced to what it used to be where the best cars were almost always the biggest. Now, each vehicle size category has a unique way to play. No longer is it just, spawn camp the power missiles, or spawn camp the barrels. Each car has a unique way to play.

He blasts it for being pinball-like in the physics. That's the point. These are cars you're chasing, not people. If you can't bounce a car, or dislodge it, you're not going to catch it.

Yeah, no evolution indeed. The reviewer scored the game for being an old franchise. And he praises rage for it's modernity? Please, rage is not a good game. It's slow, and it's boring. There's no flavor or substance or style. It's sooo vanilla.


RAGE disagrees with you.



Pjams on 16 February 2012

Jaffe isn't responding to the review, he is responding to a bunch of stupid shit the guy was saying in response to peoples posts in the comment section. The guy basically disliked the game before he ever played nor was he interested in playing it.



 

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ImJustBayuum on 16 February 2012

Sony Defence Force and their inability to accept other people's opinions and views.

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theprof00 on 16 February 2012
reviniente said:
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
"Finally, give it a rest with the "G4 is biased against Sony" or "paid off by Microsoft"

Oh God yes, was I happy to see someone acknowledge this. Any PS3 exclusive gets less then perfect.....and all the fans cry bias and MS moneyhatting. Oh but when a 360 games scores low.....it was well deserved right?

Cry me a river/gimme a break. Just one of the cultural differences between a 360 and PS3 fan

This was not a less than perfect.

He blasted the game for being, basically, Twisted Metal.

He says there has been no evolution, yet points out that you can now change cars mid map, he also fails to point out how easy they've made the special ablities. Specials used to be left, right, up, or up,down,left,right, etc. Now, it's either up, down, left, or right, each activating a different special. They simplified the entire control mechanic, and even included a new sniping mechanic. The game is incredibly balanced to what it used to be where the best cars were almost always the biggest. Now, each vehicle size category has a unique way to play. No longer is it just, spawn camp the power missiles, or spawn camp the barrels. Each car has a unique way to play.

He blasts it for being pinball-like in the physics. That's the point. These are cars you're chasing, not people. If you can't bounce a car, or dislodge it, you're not going to catch it.

Yeah, no evolution indeed. The reviewer scored the game for being an old franchise. And he praises rage for it's modernity? Please, rage is not a good game. It's slow, and it's boring. There's no flavor or substance or style. It's sooo vanilla.



RAGE disagrees with you.

To you and the other guy. I apologize on the misspeak, I meant Blur. Blur is the combat racing game. I don't know why Rage popped into my head.



Christhor on 16 February 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.



theprof00 on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

It is delightful to see you try to compare the mk arena to twisted metal and thereby try to validate the entire argument.

Except the game is completely different. The game has come a long way since 2.

Look at the overhauls:
controls:
specials went from long button cominations of up to 6 inputs, to a maximum of 2, the the four main each being only one press.
targets can now be switched by hitting the R3 button, something you couldn't previously do in the last twisted metal.
Specials are separated from control by using the analog for control. Previously, the specials had to share the dpad, meaning that while you were driving you inadvertantly would fire a missile backwards or shoot some ice, or on the other end, had to abandon steering while inputting a special.

Gameplay:
Maintains splitscreen, and now internet play. Gamers can now play against up to 15 opponents online. And co-op? I think there's also co-op.
You can now upgrade and customize your vehicle. Cars start off with basic machine guns and then as you progress you unlock new sidearms, and unlock new specials. You can also paint your car.
New Nuke mode, which is a blast.
New follow the leader mode, also a blast.
New weapons like sniper rifle, allow you to cahgne the dynamic of the game, no longer is the game about shooting and smashing into them, but also about strategy. Climb to a roof and snipe someone dead, new remote mines allow you to lay sweet traps for opponents.
AiR! Players can now take to the skies, adding a new element to the game. You can pick up opponents and drop them off a cliff, one of the most satisfying ways to kill in any twisted metal.
Change your car mid match. Now, when you're playing and you notice that you're ill equipped for the enemies, you can simply switch by visiting the garage. Faced with too much damage and in a light vehicle? Trade out for the big rig and counter them rock/paper/scissors style.

Graphics:
Wayyyyyy better in all aspects

 

So, what is really old-school about Twisted Metal, that someone can honestly say "that doesn't fit in with today's market". What evolutions hasn't it done? What does it really need to take it from a 6/10 game, to a 10/10? Really, I'd like an answer to that. Because if there is no answer then there really isn't an argument.

 

TL;DR

What could eat sleep play honestly do to change the game from 6/10 to 10/10?

Not release the game and make a different one? Because that's what this article sounds like.



M.U.G.E.N on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

learn how to read and understand things properly next time. I wasn't even remotely annoyed by his 'opinion' on the game or that comparison (which I stand by saying it's a stupid comparison), I actually tried to give my opinion in the best way possible. My annoyance came from the love everything sony bit...

and I'm not gonna get into the TM argument again. Just not worth it .



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