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Christhor on 16 February 2012
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


Humm? Do you want me to pull opinions on a game I've never played out my ass or something? I mean, I guess I could do that if you really wanted to. However, I do disagree with all the people saying "You can't judge a game just because it plays like an old game", if only out of morals.

Because the old Twisted Metal games were already the best of the genre. So Mr. Jaffe could have made something that was the best of another genre. You know, pull a hat trick, instead of make the same game to be the king of the same genre.


Who is saying that? Nobody is saying that. People are saying that you can't judge a game based on the old thematic gameplay. MKwii is as thematically similar to Mario Kart as TM ps3, is thematically the same game as a ps1 TM, but obviously the game has evolved....which is why people aren't agreeing with the reviewer, becuase the reviewer is specifically saying this "type of game" doesn't work anymore.

But there are no TMs on ps3. The logic here is hard to understand. Why should Nintendo make MKWii when Mario Kart is already the best kart game? Doesn't work like that.

It's fair to say that certain genres are outdated by todays standard. Like, for example, onrails shooters. One of those would be very hated today, but back in the day they were all the jazz. It's fair to say that certain types of games don't work today, because it's the truth. Now, is Twisted Metal one of these? I have no clue.

Because Mario Kart has got some nameless Nintendo employee directing it, not David Jaffe.



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theprof00 on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.

Lots of people played Black, it is one of the highest rated games on ps2, and the only blockbuster to be released with the system launch in America.


http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6517/twisted-metal-black/

I would hardly call that lots of people. A decent amount, but not lots.

It's pretty widely known that games that far back are not tracked well, and only guesstimates.



Christhor on 16 February 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

learn how to read and understand things properly next time. I wasn't even remotely annoyed by his 'opinion' on the game or that comparison (which I stand by saying it's a stupid comparison), I actually tried to give my opinion in the best way possible. My annoyance came from the love everything sony bit...

and I'm not gonna get into the TM argument again. Just not worth it .


If you weren't even remotely annoyed by his opinion, then you learn how to convey yourself better. The way you said it sounded very emotional, and emotions don't come out because of nothing.


umm no again learn to read and comprehend. Didn't I just tell you my annoyance with him was aimed at something else and I made myself clear in that post and the posts after that. Now you are just wasting my time just like he did. Please just continue your discussion with the others ..


"and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike." Can you really read this part and say that it shows no annoyance? Because it obviously does.

Oh Mugen, what has GOTIS done to you?



Christhor on 16 February 2012
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.

Lots of people played Black, it is one of the highest rated games on ps2, and the only blockbuster to be released with the system launch in America.


http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6517/twisted-metal-black/

I would hardly call that lots of people. A decent amount, but not lots.

It's pretty widely known that games that far back are not tracked well, and only guesstimates.


Not much else to go by though. I would rather trust VGChartz' guesstimate than your impression from friends and such.



M.U.G.E.N on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:


"and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike." Can you really read this part and say that it shows no annoyance? Because it obviously does.

Oh Mugen, what has GOTIS done to you?


wait that shows you annoyance? 0_o man not only your reading comprehension is bad but you can't even judge something simle like that. What gave you this magical impression? capital 'nothing'? LOL

not sure what gotis is :S

either way again, this is derailing the thread and a waste of my time. Think what you must



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enditall727 on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
enditall727 said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.


you said this as if EVERYBODY claimed that Twisted Metal ps3 was outdated

isn't this guy the only person that had slick sh!t to say about Twisted Metal? hince why Jaffe replied to his comments

and you do know that there was Twisted Metal Black on ps2 right? so why act as if the last twisted metal before the ps3 was only released on the ps1?

 

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You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.


no, i think i understood it clearly

 

you said --> Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated.

^^you were basically implying here that Twisted Metal IS IN FACT outdated because that specific ps1 game that he was talking about WAS Twisted Metal


Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

^^ here you are implying that UNLIKE Twisted Metal, Mario Kart has in fact evolved gameplay wise

you were trying to say that Mario Kart obviously did something right because nobody criticised it for being outdated like THEY(this 1 specific guy) did with Twisted even though Mario Karts gameplay has basically been the same for years(like this guy tried to claim for Twisted)

 

and i should know because i play them all

that reviewer had an agenda

Jaffe was justified in my book..



Christhor on 16 February 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:


"and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike." Can you really read this part and say that it shows no annoyance? Because it obviously does.

Oh Mugen, what has GOTIS done to you?


wait that shows you annoyance? 0_o man not only your reading comprehension is bad but you can't even judge something simle like that. What gave you this magical impression? capital 'nothing'? LOL

not sure what gotis is :S

either way again, this is derailing the thread and a waste of my time. Think what you must


The emote, the swearing and capitalising words for no reason. If that was you trying to put emphasis on the word, then you obviously don't have enough literary experiences to know how to do so. If you don't know how to use the tools of writing, then you cannot say I have bad comprehension.

Yes, you are derailing the thread. Please stop.



M.U.G.E.N on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:


"and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike." Can you really read this part and say that it shows no annoyance? Because it obviously does.

Oh Mugen, what has GOTIS done to you?


wait that shows you annoyance? 0_o man not only your reading comprehension is bad but you can't even judge something simle like that. What gave you this magical impression? capital 'nothing'? LOL

not sure what gotis is :S

either way again, this is derailing the thread and a waste of my time. Think what you must


The emote, the swearing and capitalising words for no reason. If that was you trying to put emphasis on the word, then you obviously don't have enough literary experiences to know how to do so. If you don't know how to use the tools of writing, then you cannot say I have bad comprehension.

Yes, you are derailing the thread. Please stop.

well it was you who quoted me, I'm just responding. Want to stop? then stop quoting me. At least 'comprehend' that much? Pls?

and emoticon, a 'wtf' etc gives you enough understanding on the matter to the point to claim I was emotional and I have no literary experiences on such things. LOL heck the fact you can't 'comprehend' why that word was capitalized shows your level of skills too :) (OMFG SWEAR WORD AND CAPITALIZATION AND SMILE (on the internetz) = EMOTION TIME!)

Give it a rest and please continue with your argument about a game you played many years ago.



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Christhor on 16 February 2012
enditall727 said:
Christhor said:
enditall727 said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.


you said this as if EVERYBODY claimed that Twisted Metal ps3 was outdated

isn't this guy the only person that had slick sh!t to say about Twisted Metal? hince why Jaffe replied to his comments

and you do know that there was Twisted Metal Black on ps2 right? so why act as if the last twisted metal before the ps3 was only released on the ps1?

 

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You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.


no, i think i understood it clearly

 

you said --> Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated.

^^you were basically implying here that Twisted Metal IS IN FACT outdated because that specific ps1 game that he was talking about WAS Twisted Metal

 

Now you are truely showing that you did not understand what I said. I stated he had a point, the point is valid, I didn't state that it was right in terms of Twisted Metal. You are the one reading between the lines.


Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

^^ here you are implying that UNLIKE Twisted Metal, Mario Kart has in fact evolved gameplay wise

you were trying to say that Mario Kart obviously did something right because nobody criticised it for being outdated like THEY(this 1 specific guy) did with Twisted even though Mario Karts gameplay has basically been the same for years(like this guy tried to claim for Twisted)

 

Again, I am not implying that the Twisted Metal controlls are bad, just that the Mario Kart controlls are great by todays standard, which they actually are. I never stated that Twisted Metal was outdated, I don't actually know, but I was countering all the people saying "But Mario Kart hasn't changed much, and everyone loves that!" Some controlls can work in todays gaming, others do not. That is a simple truth.

 

and i should know because i play them all

that reviewer had an agenda

Jaffe was justified in my book..


Added stuff in yo quote.



theprof00 on 16 February 2012
Christhor said:
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:
theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.

Lots of people played Black, it is one of the highest rated games on ps2, and the only blockbuster to be released with the system launch in America.


http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6517/twisted-metal-black/

I would hardly call that lots of people. A decent amount, but not lots.

It's pretty widely known that games that far back are not tracked well, and only guesstimates.


Not much else to go by though. I would rather trust VGChartz' guesstimate than your impression from friends and such.


That 1.2 is according to NPD before they had as much retail evidence as they do now, And no tracking agency from world wide.