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Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.


you said this as if EVERYBODY claimed that Twisted Metal ps3 was outdated

isn't this guy the only person that had slick sh!t to say about Twisted Metal? hince why Jaffe replied to his comments

and you do know that there was Twisted Metal Black on ps2 right? so why act as if the last twisted metal before the ps3 was only released on the ps1?

 

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M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

learn how to read and understand things properly next time. I wasn't even remotely annoyed by his 'opinion' on the game or that comparison (which I stand by saying it's a stupid comparison), I actually tried to give my opinion in the best way possible. My annoyance came from the love everything sony bit...

and I'm not gonna get into the TM argument again. Just not worth it .


If you weren't even remotely annoyed by his opinion, then you learn how to convey yourself better. The way you said it sounded very emotional, and emotions don't come out because of nothing.



theprof00 said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

It is delightful to see you try to compare the mk arena to twisted metal and thereby try to validate the entire argument.

Except the game is completely different. The game has come a long way since 2.

Look at the overhauls:
controls:
specials went from long button cominations of up to 6 inputs, to a maximum of 2, the the four main each being only one press.
targets can now be switched by hitting the R3 button, something you couldn't previously do in the last twisted metal.
Specials are separated from control by using the analog for control. Previously, the specials had to share the dpad, meaning that while you were driving you inadvertantly would fire a missile backwards or shoot some ice, or on the other end, had to abandon steering while inputting a special.

Gameplay:
Maintains splitscreen, and now internet play. Gamers can now play against up to 15 opponents online. And co-op? I think there's also co-op.
You can now upgrade and customize your vehicle. Cars start off with basic machine guns and then as you progress you unlock new sidearms, and unlock new specials. You can also paint your car.
New Nuke mode, which is a blast.
New follow the leader mode, also a blast.
New weapons like sniper rifle, allow you to cahgne the dynamic of the game, no longer is the game about shooting and smashing into them, but also about strategy. Climb to a roof and snipe someone dead, new remote mines allow you to lay sweet traps for opponents.
AiR! Players can now take to the skies, adding a new element to the game. You can pick up opponents and drop them off a cliff, one of the most satisfying ways to kill in any twisted metal.
Change your car mid match. Now, when you're playing and you notice that you're ill equipped for the enemies, you can simply switch by visiting the garage. Faced with too much damage and in a light vehicle? Trade out for the big rig and counter them rock/paper/scissors style.

Graphics:
Wayyyyyy better in all aspects

 

So, what is really old-school about Twisted Metal, that someone can honestly say "that doesn't fit in with today's market". What evolutions hasn't it done? What does it really need to take it from a 6/10 game, to a 10/10? Really, I'd like an answer to that. Because if there is no answer then there really isn't an argument.

 

TL;DR

What could eat sleep play honestly do to change the game from 6/10 to 10/10?

Not release the game and make a different one? Because that's what this article sounds like.


I stated that I hadn't played Twisted Metal since 2, so how would I know if it's evolved or not? I was saying that if it was the exact same game, then there would definitely be reason to deduct points.

And what's so bad about making a new game? I don't think most people around here mind innovation, especially from someone who's clearly creative when it comes to video games, like Mr. Jaffe is.



enditall727 said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.


you said this as if EVERYBODY claimed that Twisted Metal ps3 was outdated

isn't this guy the only person that had slick sh!t to say about Twisted Metal? hince why Jaffe replied to his comments

and you do know that there was Twisted Metal Black on ps2 right? so why act as if the last twisted metal before the ps3 was only released on the ps1?

 

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You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.



Christhor said:


I stated that I hadn't played Twisted Metal since 2, so how would I know if it's evolved or not? I was saying that if it was the exact same game, then there would definitely be reason to deduct points.

And what's so bad about making a new game? I don't think most people around here mind innovation, especially from someone who's clearly creative when it comes to video games, like Mr. Jaffe is.

Why are you arguing hypotheticals?

The game is not the same game.

And why not make Twisted Metal? TM is one of my favorite franchises, and car combat games today are god-awful. Why shouldn't Jaffe make the very best game in the genre?There's nothing wrong with making a new IP. But why fault a franchise that people LOVED because it isn't a new IP instead?



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Christhor said:


You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.

Lots of people played Black, it is one of the highest rated games on ps2, and the only blockbuster to be released with the system launch in America.



theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


I stated that I hadn't played Twisted Metal since 2, so how would I know if it's evolved or not? I was saying that if it was the exact same game, then there would definitely be reason to deduct points.

And what's so bad about making a new game? I don't think most people around here mind innovation, especially from someone who's clearly creative when it comes to video games, like Mr. Jaffe is.

Why are you arguing hypotheticals?

The game is not the same game.

And why not make Twisted Metal? TM is one of my favorite franchises, and car combat games today are god-awful. Why shouldn't Jaffe make the very best game in the genre?There's nothing wrong with making a new IP. But why fault a franchise that people LOVED because it isn't a new IP instead?


Humm? Do you want me to pull opinions on a game I've never played out my ass or something? I mean, I guess I could do that if you really wanted to. However, I do disagree with all the people saying "You can't judge a game just because it plays like an old game", if only out of morals.

Because the old Twisted Metal games were already the best of the genre. So Mr. Jaffe could have made something that was the best of another genre. You know, pull a hat trick, instead of make the same game to be the king of the same genre.



Christhor said:


Humm? Do you want me to pull opinions on a game I've never played out my ass or something? I mean, I guess I could do that if you really wanted to. However, I do disagree with all the people saying "You can't judge a game just because it plays like an old game", if only out of morals.

Because the old Twisted Metal games were already the best of the genre. So Mr. Jaffe could have made something that was the best of another genre. You know, pull a hat trick, instead of make the same game to be the king of the same genre.


Who is saying that? Nobody is saying that. People are saying that you can't judge a game based on the old thematic gameplay. MKwii is as thematically similar to Mario Kart as TM ps3, is thematically the same game as a ps1 TM, but obviously the game has evolved....which is why people aren't agreeing with the reviewer, becuase the reviewer is specifically saying this "type of game" doesn't work anymore.

But there are no TMs on ps3. The logic here is hard to understand. Why should Nintendo make MKWii when Mario Kart is already the best kart game? Doesn't work like that.



theprof00 said:
Christhor said:


You clearly didn't understand my post. I never said that Twisted Metal Ps3 was outdated, nor did I state that everyone has been saying it is. I said that if it hadn't evolved at all, then it would have been outdated. Two very different things.

And I really can't base my own views of Black, since I, like everyone else, did not play that game. That is why I based it on the Ps1 game.

Lots of people played Black, it is one of the highest rated games on ps2, and the only blockbuster to be released with the system launch in America.


http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6517/twisted-metal-black/

I would hardly call that lots of people. A decent amount, but not lots.



Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Christhor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
happydolphin said:

Look, it's just my opinion. M.U.G.E.N. actually played it and he says it's good. I appreciate that because it's hands on, then again he loves everything Sony releases so it's hard to take it completely seriously.

 


what a load of bullshit..I would appreciate if you don't say stupid crap like that please. and did you just compare mario kart to TM? 0_o wtf man..you sure you played the game before? They are NOTHING alike.

and just so I'm clear and since cuz of stupid arguments like these the sony section is deserted on this forum..you are more than welcome to check over at a place like GAF on their impressions on the game. You will find hundreds of opinions there. No one gives a shit about graphics on this game as long as it performs well and it does that amazingly well.


You sure you've played Mario Kart? Because the arena mode in Mario Kart is essentially a Twisted Metal junior. Don't get your panties in a knot just because it's a viable comparison.

Also, the original reviewer guy did make a pretty decent point. If take a game that was good in the Ps1 days, and essentially just give it a graphical overhaul, then you do have every right to say to say that it's outdated. Why? Because they can be. Why isn't this the case with Mario Kart? Because the controlls are great by todays standard.

Now, I haven't played a Twisted Metal game since 2, and I don't think I am going to play this one, but if the gameplay was mostly unchanged then points should be removed because of that. It was a clunky game back in the day, but it fit the time. Now? Not so much.

learn how to read and understand things properly next time. I wasn't even remotely annoyed by his 'opinion' on the game or that comparison (which I stand by saying it's a stupid comparison), I actually tried to give my opinion in the best way possible. My annoyance came from the love everything sony bit...

and I'm not gonna get into the TM argument again. Just not worth it .


If you weren't even remotely annoyed by his opinion, then you learn how to convey yourself better. The way you said it sounded very emotional, and emotions don't come out because of nothing.


umm no again learn to read and comprehend. Didn't I just tell you my annoyance with him was aimed at something else and I made myself clear in that post and the posts after that. Now you are just wasting my time just like he did. Please just continue your discussion with the others ..



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