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Alright well....I'm just gonna make an early prediction for Germany

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel

DNF: Jean-Eric Vergne



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Germany

1. Hamilton (still waiting for that first win)
2. Vettel
3. Rosberg

DNF - Gutierrez (won't be Vettel for a while now )



based on today I would say Hamilton/Mercedes are the ones to beat for Germany, aye.

hopefully Lewis has more luck to get his first win for the team, if Mercedes can keep moving their race pace in the right direction and keep one lap pace they could dominate the rest of 2013 now I think (and hope as a huge Lewis fan, he deserves that 2nd title)

Alonso looks more likely to challenge Vettel than Raikonnen of the other contenders as well, Lotus just aren't consistent in races and their qualifying is still very poor.



 

Germany Zuv  Proc  Bren Just Cone Hax Jonop Rain Angel
 1st Vettel
Hamilton




Hamilton
 2nd Rosberg
Vettel




Rosberg
 3rd Hamilton
Rosberg




Vettel
 Retiree Button
Gutierrez




Vergne
 Score                  

 

Straight into germany,pretty strong german driver line up,good chance one will win i think,might have to wait til later for a proper update as my internet is so weak and it is a real pain in the butt



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Pirelli confirm tyre changes for Germany and beyond

Following the failures in Sunday’s race at Silverstone, Pirelli have announced that Kevlar-belted tyres - as tested in Canada recently - will be used throughout this weekend’s German Grand Prix. A new range of tyres will then be introduced from the following round in Hungary.

After extensive investigations, Pirelli cited a series of causes for the incidents: teams choosing to mount the asymmetric rear tyres the wrong way round; the use of lower than recommended tyre pressures; the use of extreme camber angles; and particularly aggressive kerbing on fast corners at Silverstone.

“What happened at Silverstone was completely unexpected and it was the first time that anything like this has ever occurred in more than a century of Pirelli in motorsport,” said Paul Hembery, Pirelli’s motorsport director. “These incidents, which have upset us greatly, have stressed the urgency of the changes that we already suggested - which will be introduced for free practice in Germany on Friday.”

The rear tyres to be used in Germany have a Kevlar construction that replaces the current steel structure with the re-introduction of the 2012 belt, to ensure maximum stability and roadholding. Given that these tyres are asymmetric as well, it will be strictly forbidden to swap them round. The front tyres, by contrast, will remain unaltered.

The tyres for the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards will combine the characteristics of the 2012 tyres with the performance of the 2013 compounds. Essentially, the new tyres will have a structure, construction and belt identical to that of 2012, which ensured maximum performance and safety. The compounds will be the same as those used throughout 2013, which guaranteed faster lap times and a wider working range.

This new specification, as agreed with the FIA, will be tested on-track together with the teams and their 2013 cars at Silverstone from July 17-19 in a session using race drivers during the previously scheduled young driver test.

In the light of the issues raised by Sunday’s failures, Pirelli are also pushing for regulation changes that would allow them access to real-time data from the teams regarding fundamental parameters such as pressure, temperature and camber angles, in order to ensure the optimal functioning of tyres.

“We would like to acknowledge the willingness of the FIA, FOM, teams, and drivers to act quickly to find an immediate solution to the problem,” added Hembery. “In particular, the adoption of winter tests, arranged with the FIA, that are more suitable for tyre development and the possibility of carrying out in-season testing will contribute to the realisation of tyres with increasingly improved standards of safety and performance.

“I’d like to re-emphasise the fact that the 2013 range of tyres, used in the correct way, is completely safe. What happened at Silverstone though has led us to ask for full access to real time tyre data to ensure the correct usage and development of tyres that have the sophistication we were asked to provide and extremely high performance that has lowered lap times by more than two seconds on average. While we wait for a change in the rules, we will introduce tyres that are easier to manage.”

Tuesday’s full statement from Pirelli:
Milan, July 2, 2013 - After exhaustive analysis of the tyres used at Silverstone, Pirelli has concluded that the causes of the failures were principally down to a combination of the following factors:

1) Rear tyres that were mounted the wrong way round: in other words, the right hand tyre being placed where the left hand one should be and vice versa, on the cars that suffered failures. The tyres supplied this year have an asymmetric structure, which means that they are not designed to be interchangeable. The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tyre. So swapping the tyres round has an effect on how they work in certain conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope with the very high loads that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are particularly aggressive.

2) The use of tyre pressures that were excessively low or in any case lower than those indicated by Pirelli. Under-inflating the tyres means that the tyre is subjected to more stressful working conditions.

3) The use of extreme camber angles.

4) Kerbing that was particularly aggressive on fast corners, such as that on turn four at Silverstone, which was the scene of most of the failures. Consequently it was the left-rear tyres that were affected.

The only problems that had come to light before Silverstone were to do with delamination, which was a completely different phenomenon. To stop these delaminations Pirelli found a solution by suggesting that the teams use the tyres that were tried out in Canada from Silverstone onwards. When this proposal was not accepted, Pirelli found another solution through laboratory testing, with a different bonding process to attach the tread to the carcass. So the problem of delamination has nothing at all to do with what was seen in Great Britain.

Following the conclusions of this analysis, Pirelli would like to underline that:

1) Mounting the tyres the wrong way round is a practice that was nonetheless underestimated by everybody: above all Pirelli, which did not forbid this.

2) In the same way, under-inflation of the tyres and extreme camber settings, over which Pirelli has no control, are choices that can be dangerous under certain circumstances. Because of this, Pirelli has asked the FIA for these parameters will be a topic of accurate and future examinations. Pirelli has also asked for compliance with these rules to be checked by a dedicated delegate.

3) Pirelli would also like to underline that the 2013 tyre range does not compromise driver safety in any way if used in the correct manner, and that it meets all the safety standards requested by the FIA.

The logical conclusion is that it is essential for tyres with the performance and technical sophistication of the 2013 range to be regulated and carefully controlled by Pirelli itself. In order to ensure the optimal functioning of the tyres, the Italian firm would need real-time data from the teams regarding fundamental parameters such as pressure, temperature and camber angles. While waiting for new regulations that would permit Pirelli access to this data, vital for the development and management of these state-of-the-art tyres, the following measures are proposed for the forthcoming Grands Prix, in agreement with the FIA, FOM, the teams and the drivers:

1) The use of the evolution of the current tyre that was tested in Canada (and proved to be completely reliable) for the German Grand Prix this weekend. This represents the best match for the technical characteristics of the Nurburgring circuit. In particular, the rear tyres that will be used at the German Grand Prix, which takes place on July 7, have a Kevlar construction that replaces the current steel structure and the re-introduction of the 2012 belt, to ensure maximum stability and roadholding. Given that these tyres are asymmetric as well, it will be strictly forbidden to swap them round. The front tyres, by contrast, will remain unaltered.

2) From the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards, the introduction of a new range of tyres. The new tyres will have a symmetrical structure, designed to guarantee maximum safety even without access to tyre data - which however is essential for the optimal function of the more sophisticated 2013 tyres. The tyres that will be used for the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards will combine the characteristics of the 2012 tyres with the performance of the 2013 compounds. Essentially, the new tyres will have a structure, construction and belt identical to that of 2012, which ensured maximum performance and safety. The compounds will be the same as those used throughout 2013, which guaranteed faster lap times and a wider working range. This new specification, as agreed with the FIA, will be tested on-track together with the teams and their 2013 cars at Silverstone from 17-19 July in a session with the race drivers during the young driver test. These tests will contribute to the definitive development of the new range of tyres, giving teams the opportunity to carry out the appropriate set-up work on their cars.

Paul Hembery, Pirelli’s motorsport director, said: “What happened at Silverstone was completely unexpected and it was the first time that anything like this has ever occurred in more than a century of Pirelli in motorsport. These incidents, which have upset us greatly, have stressed the urgency of the changes that we already suggested - which will be introduced during for free practice in Germany on Friday. We would like to acknowledge the willingness of the FIA, FOM teams, and drivers to act quickly to find an immediate solution to the problem. In particular, the adoption of winter tests, arranged with the FIA, that are more suitable for tyre development and the possibility of carrying out in-season testing will contribute to the realisation of tyres with increasingly improved standards of safety and performance. I’d like to re-emphasise the fact that the 2013 range of tyres, used in the correct way, is completely safe. What happened at Silverstone though has led us to ask for full access to real time tyre data to ensure the correct usage and development of tyres that have the sophistication we were asked to provide and extremely high performance that has lowered lap times by more than two seconds on average. While we wait for a change in the rules, we will introduce tyres that are easier to manage.”



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Germany practice and grand prix now,not on the BBC this one so will miss most of this weekend i think but will still get on to sort out predicitons,i'll remind people 2moro and full internet switched on next friday,hurrah for me



                                                                                                                                        Above & Beyond

   

1 - Vettel
2 - Hamilton
3 - Räikkönen

DNF - Perez



 

 

 

 

 

So....due to a bit of stupidity by Mercedes, I now have to change my prediction a little

1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Raikkonen



Tagging.

Haven't watch it yet.



1. Webber
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton

DNF. Pic



 

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