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MonstaMack said:
Oh boy another topic to let people come in and whine about XBox Live pricing.

Honestly can't wait for the PS4 to start charging for online and hear the reactions then.

I have a feeling they won't. They went through a whole generation without charging for it while Microsoft has been charging for it since the first Xbox. For many people, free online was a deciding factor in their PS3 purchase. Charging for their service would alienate their userbase and may cause many people to turn away and just end up hurting playstation.



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oniyide said:
MonstaMack said:
oniyide said:
MonstaMack said:
Oh boy another topic to let people come in and whine about XBox Live pricing.

Honestly can't wait for the PS4 to start charging for online and hear the reactions then.


You got proof?? Or are you just talking out your butt??


No proof but I'm willing to bet five years of sig control over if you want to bet.

 

Just get tired of the complaining about live pricing. If you don't like it buy a PS3, or you know, get a job to pay for the $35 or so a year (paid $35 last year, thats the most I ever paid for live. Wasn't too many deals)


Its not the price its the pricinple. Why cant MS just let you play your games that you bought online on Silver?? Thats it, keep all the bells and whistles on Gold and just have people play stuff on Silver, its not like there paying to keep the servers up.  If SOny does, and thats a big IF, charges to PLAY online. I wont game on the next Sony console, ill go WiiU/PC exclusively


Read Fastyxx's post.



Extremely poor article.



MonstaMack said:
oniyide said:
MonstaMack said:
oniyide said:
MonstaMack said:
Oh boy another topic to let people come in and whine about XBox Live pricing.

Honestly can't wait for the PS4 to start charging for online and hear the reactions then.


You got proof?? Or are you just talking out your butt??


No proof but I'm willing to bet five years of sig control over if you want to bet.

 

Just get tired of the complaining about live pricing. If you don't like it buy a PS3, or you know, get a job to pay for the $35 or so a year (paid $35 last year, thats the most I ever paid for live. Wasn't too many deals)


Its not the price its the pricinple. Why cant MS just let you play your games that you bought online on Silver?? Thats it, keep all the bells and whistles on Gold and just have people play stuff on Silver, its not like there paying to keep the servers up.  If SOny does, and thats a big IF, charges to PLAY online. I wont game on the next Sony console, ill go WiiU/PC exclusively


How big is the IF? Are you betting for sig control or not? Bleh, put the money where the mouth is.

If you could play online with Silver a majority of people wouldn't pay for LIve, thus less revenue for MS. How many people actually buy a PS3 because online play is free, vs exclusives and what not? I doubt Sony would lose many buyers if they went to charge for online.

PC is still the best bet anyways as long your willing to upgrade your PC here and there. Look at all the amazing deals for digital games on Amazon alone.


SIg control it is, and im sure Sony would lose some buyers if online play isnt free. No arguments on PC, 



fastyxx said:
I have no problem paying for Live. We've been down this road in this argument a million times.

Bandwidth costs money. Offering that demo, which will be downloaded 2 million times at 5 gigs apiece costs money. And that's ONE item. It all costs them money to host and provide all this content. The fact that EVERY XBLA game has a demo to try before you buy? Costs money. Having access to all the apps, whether you only use one or you use 10, costs money. None of it is free.

Sony is completely regretting their approach. They need that revenue badly. But they didn't go that route to be the good guy. instead, like so many things in the PS3 development and launch, they completely f'ed up. In this case, they totally underestimated the importance of connected home consoles because Japan was way behind in the way they used connected gaming. It wasn't important to them. (See Nintendo.) Sony made online gaming a feature they knew they needed to have to be competitive, but launched with no PSN, no plan, no anything and have been scrambling ever since, with money flying out their door the whole time. They've been playing catch-up ever since, but if they had to do it all over again, they'd follow Live's model much more closely, though likely not exactly.

Why shouldn't the people most heavily using the product support the costs? And why shouldn't the company providing the services make some profit off it? That's the whole reason the company is in business and we have these platforms at our disposal. MS is making money in their entertainment division and they still have large and vocal percentage of their shareholders that wan them out of the console business because they are not making ENOUGH money. Imagine how badly some of Sony's investors want them out of the sector where they are flat-out hemorrhaging money.

These arguments are immature and childish. You want great new games, but you want them to be cheap if not free. You want awesome, reliable, secure service, but you want it to be free. You want more, and bigger and better and faster and more awesome but you don't want to pay for any of it. It's just a completely unsupportable, ridiculous argument.

SONY AND NINTENDO AND MICROSOFT AND DEVS AND PUBLISHERS ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING PROFITS, NOT GIVING AWAY THEIR PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR FREE. They don't care about you as a person, but only as a consumer. They care if you're having fun and feeling like you get value, but only so that you'll spend more money on the platform and buy the next one. That is ALL. The sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be.

Your argument is flawed. Then why does no one else on this entire planet charge to use their online services? Neither Sony, Nintendo, nor Steam follow this even though Xbox has been charging for their service from the beginning. Sure, maybe if you want extra features, charge them for that. Microsoft doesn't NEED to charge for ONLINE to make that profit. If I took FaceBook or Google for example, they make a profit without charging for any of it. Imagine the outrage that would occur if we suddenly had to pay for it. It's these double standards that irk me. Paying for Live is okay, but paying for Facebook would be stupid? If you want to say paying Microsoft for their service is justified, then you also better be prepared to argue for paying for EVERY service you use. Microsoft even puts ads on your dashboard like wtf. Microsoft is the one scrambling for money and succeeding at it too. This becomes more evident with Kinect and how they are putting all their effort into taking some of Wii's market share away from them when they PROMISED they would provide core gaming experiences on Kinect.

I don't want the best online experience possible for free. It would obviously be nice but if it truly is the best service available then it deserves to make a profit. What I want for Microsoft to do is to offer at the very least DECENT ONLINE for silver members. Microsoft could then offer a vastly superior online through gold membership. Is it that hard to allow this? Are they going to lose SO much money from this? Surely they probably considered it before, but realized they want money and a lot of people would stop paying for Live. But if consumers are not willing to upgrade to Gold when they are offered online for free, then that is not the consumer's fault; it is Microsoft's fault for not making their service more appealing. If they need to have online capabilities for only Gold members in order to make it appealing, then Live really is worthless. They are doing a disservice to their customers by not allowing them to play their games without FIRST paying microsoft. You keep saying businesses are in this to make a profit but why do you consider it "childish" to think about the interests of yourself? Truth is Sony have done a great job in bringing PSN on par with Live, but Xbox gamers are too stubborn to admit it since they are paying for theirs.



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TheKoreanGuy said:
MonstaMack said:
Oh boy another topic to let people come in and whine about XBox Live pricing.

Honestly can't wait for the PS4 to start charging for online and hear the reactions then.

I have a feeling they won't. They went through a whole generation without charging for it while Microsoft has been charging for it since the first Xbox. For many people, free online was a deciding factor in their PS3 purchase. Charging for their service would alienate their userbase and may cause many people to turn away and just end up hurting playstation.

If Sony starts charging for online gaming, where would Sony fans turn? Their biggest competitor also charges for online gaming. All Sony has to do is be more competitive. It should be noted most console gamers don't play online much or at all.

 



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MonstaMack said:
Oh boy another topic to let people come in and whine about XBox Live pricing.

Honestly can't wait for the PS4 to start charging for online and hear the reactions then.

If it happens, I guarantee Sony fans will argue why Sony's online service is better.

Sony fans are almost as whiny as PC gamers.



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Why on earth are people still crying about Live not being free. Really? It's been what, ten years now?
I guess some people just can't sleep well at night unless they've beaten the horse one more time.
(looking at you Pezus... right at ya' baby)
Like a different user posted, there's no doubt that the suits over at Sony, watching all that additional revenue Microsoft's brought in, are kicking themselves in the arse for not charging at least something for PSN... which is no doubt in the works for the PS4. Obviously Sony can't do a sudden about-face during this generation about charging for PSN, considering how loudly they proclaimed 'free' while trying to sell consoles. But, the initial steps towards this eventuality was Sony splitting PSN into a tiered network early last year... the rest is coming.
Either way Pezus, why are you whining about Live?
There's millions of people that seem happy with it. Can millions and millions of people really be wrong?
Maybe it's not a problem with MS charging, but, a problem with you. Why shouldn't you have to pay for a closed online gaming service? You haven't really explained that. Tell me why Xbox Live should be free... and don't confuse that by comparing free services on the PC or PS3, they don't offer everything that Live does. I want to hear why you think XBOX LOVE should be free.



fastyxx said:
I have no problem paying for Live. We've been down this road in this argument a million times.

Bandwidth costs money. Offering that demo, which will be downloaded 2 million times at 5 gigs apiece costs money. And that's ONE item. It all costs them money to host and provide all this content. The fact that EVERY XBLA game has a demo to try before you buy? Costs money. Having access to all the apps, whether you only use one or you use 10, costs money. None of it is free.

Sony is completely regretting their approach. They need that revenue badly. But they didn't go that route to be the good guy. instead, like so many things in the PS3 development and launch, they completely f'ed up. In this case, they totally underestimated the importance of connected home consoles because Japan was way behind in the way they used connected gaming. It wasn't important to them. (See Nintendo.) Sony made online gaming a feature they knew they needed to have to be competitive, but launched with no PSN, no plan, no anything and have been scrambling ever since, with money flying out their door the whole time. They've been playing catch-up ever since, but if they had to do it all over again, they'd follow Live's model much more closely, though likely not exactly.

Why shouldn't the people most heavily using the product support the costs? And why shouldn't the company providing the services make some profit off it? That's the whole reason the company is in business and we have these platforms at our disposal. MS is making money in their entertainment division and they still have large and vocal percentage of their shareholders that wan them out of the console business because they are not making ENOUGH money. Imagine how badly some of Sony's investors want them out of the sector where they are flat-out hemorrhaging money.

These arguments are immature and childish. You want great new games, but you want them to be cheap if not free. You want awesome, reliable, secure service, but you want it to be free. You want more, and bigger and better and faster and more awesome but you don't want to pay for any of it. It's just a completely unsupportable, ridiculous argument.

SONY AND NINTENDO AND MICROSOFT AND DEVS AND PUBLISHERS ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING PROFITS, NOT GIVING AWAY THEIR PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR FREE. They don't care about you as a person, but only as a consumer. They care if you're having fun and feeling like you get value, but only so that you'll spend more money on the platform and buy the next one. That is ALL. The sooner you come to grips with that, the happier you'll be.


To be fair, Microsoft should make a pretty penny via advertising.  And they make money simply from making apps available to users, whether they're used or not.

Look at Google.  They offer 2GB of storage for e-mails, allow up to 20,000 songs to be uploaded to Google Music, provide free voice and video chat via Google+ and Google Voice, and provide free video uploading and streaming via YouTube.  Yet they still make money because of advertising.

The general argument against Live's pricing structure isn't that people shouldn't have to pay for it.  It's that other companies (Sony, Valve) offer it just fine without charging for it, given they make their money back through other means, thus people view the charge as unneccessary and divisive.



d21lewis said:
Nothing to do with the topic but: I owned two PS1's, three PS2's, two PSP's, a PS3, and I plan to buy a PSV as soon as Gravity Daze launches. I never owned an original Xbox but I prefer Xbox Live by far. I've been paying for it for four years, too. I don't even own CoD MW3, Forza 4, or Halo Anniversary and I have no desire to play any of those titles. What would you consider me?

Thing is, most of the people that complain 'bout how much Xbox Live Gold costs are either PS3 owners or Silver members who have no interest in upgrading to Gold. X360 owners who want Gold don't complain; they subscribe. PS3 owners specifically, think that because they don't like paying for online play, there's something wrong with you if you do. They already have a free-to-play alternative, but that's not enough. They will go to great lenghts to demonstrate that they know what's best for you, that you don't know what you want. They have a problem with what you do with your money. That, is absurd.