happydolphin said:
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to your first part i'm not really sure what all the text is suppposed to prove i never argued about which was more ergonomic, had better design etc all i stated is that analog thumbsticks is not something that nintendo brought to gaming
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@bold. Yes, analog thumbsticks are something Nintendo brought to gaming. Simple fact. Explanation: The vectrex was not a thumbstick, and it did not have pressure sensitivity. It was analog, but not in the depth axis (again if I'm wrong here I need to be corrected). Ultimately, it was incredibly limited in comparison to the 64's input and ergonomics. Compare that to what I'll describe below.
| yes i would agree that they improved upon it and the controller in general but the same could be said of microsoft and sony, my main gripe is that i see many nintendo fans praising nintendo for their work with analog sticks when really for me they have only been implementing their own take on them like microsoft and sony after implementation by other gaming companies that aren't mentioned in this regard at all |
@bold. No, they didn't improve on it. They revolutionized it. Nobody thought of that before, a thumbstick, and if they did, they didn't spend the R&D to tweak and test it, then to R&D software to best fit it. That is ALL Nintendo's money spent and legwork. Sony copied. Can you get that? It's not a minor improvement here, Nintendo invested significant R&D, Sony copied with less significant investment. When will you understand this simple concept? 2 elements to consider in the innovation:
1) Thumb stick. Frees up the index, and this design goes hand in hand with the trigger button innovation, all with one hand while the other focuses on 4 buttons. Before that, it could not be achieved on a basic controller, vaio also explained that to you.
Basically, they took this:
And put it into this:
 
This is the innovation. If you brush it off as ergonomics and simple design, you FAIL epically to realize that we are speaking about a CONTROLLER DESIGN. The fact that an extra button is available, and that the joystick can be controlled simply by your thumb and with immense precision is MEGATON for a controller innovation. Compare that to the vectrex... the change from Vectrex controller to 64 controller is is not a simple improvement, it is a revolution.
2) Pressure sensitivity. This did not exist on Vectrex in the depth axis, I don't think so. It's a huge innovation, and the games made excellent use of this. I explain this properly in my first post.
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to your second part about relevance
"Realize the PS1 barely made use of the dual analog, it wasn't designed with that in mind. The N64 was."
i didn't realise that the n64 had dual analogs...
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@bold. You're supposed to understand this as saying:
"Realize the PS1 barely made use of the dual analog, it wasn't designed with that in mind. The N64 was designed with the analog stick (and trigger button it goes without saying) from the ground up."
Stop wasting my time. If you can't understand such simple things, just get out. You have no idea how much you aggravate. People take time to research and write elaborate posts so you can answer with stupidity. That's unacceptable.
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but anyway if your point is that the ps1 used them poorly well thats your opinion i can think of many games that imo used them well like ape escape, spyro, resident evil, metal gear solid etc
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As far as I remember, these were used as supplements for the D-pad, and within the games mentioned did not offer pressure sensitivity (though the hardware provided that, no or very few games actually used it). Even if they did, a handful of games is nothing to be proud of. This is a VERY weak argument on your part. Excuse me.
| secondly i made the point i made because many nintendo fans say that nintendo made motion gaming relevant through the sales of the wii ( even though it has existed before now in other forms ) but then when it comes to analog sticks even though the playstation sold more than the n64 that argument changes |
@bold. You're making the point because you can't understand simple facts when they are presented to you. I explained to you that analog controls were not part of the original design of the PS1, so using its sales is a very poor argument, even if you wished you could use it, when you do, it makes you sound very ignorant. See my counter-point just above this one to understand why. The Wii actually held the Motion Controls torch for 3 full years this gen. Not only did sales vindicate the business decision (Sony did not make that decision at PS launch/inception), but it also made great use of the technologies in its own games, and made it affordable. They were the first to achieve all that. They also achieved that with the N64 to a lesser extent, Sony came 2nd.
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