really? i have yet to see a post of someone who admits exactly that. All i ever see is stuff like in the OP.

if they would not feel it to be wrong for whatever reason, they would not need to justify it to themselves or others.

DRM exists because pirates exist. Pirates exist because DRM exists (and other reasons, giving pirates some leniency here since they grasp at straws harder than a horse in a barn). It's a vicious cycle.

Well, some people justifies murder so why not?
Whenever I want to try a game I usually pirate it instead of getting a demo because of how easy it is to just go to piratebay and find what you want. I don't know if my actions seems justifiable to others but they are somewhat to me for the reason that I pay for the games I find an interest in. I "tried" Total War, Minecraft, Europa Universalis and Bioshock this way and I've now bought one or several entries in those series including the one I pirated.
I would lie if I said that money had nothing to do with it, and that's probably true for most pirates. If I had more money to spend then I would buy more games without checking them out first. If I was rich I wouldn't pirate at all, except when there's no other way to get my hands on a specific game, and I would try to import the game before taking the pirate route.
I've also pirated games that I already own because my old disc no longer works or because the game has some devilish DRM.

So yes, I'd say piracy can be justifiable but it all depends. When a game isn't available in your region then there's not much else you can do, but if that game becomes available later and you don't pay for it then then you can no longer justify pirating it. A lot of people have pirated Xenoblade because it has yet to be released in America, which is fine. Of course, those that want to support the developers imported the game instead. But now that the game is coming out in America the unavailable card is no longer valid and those that pirated it better buy it, atleast if they didn't find it to be complete crap.

No. Pirates do what they do because Free > paying money.

Its an embarrassment to the PC game industry. And people wonder why PC multiplats are cancelled or that console versions are chosen to be the lead developed version with the PC one not being fully taken advantage of. Because devs get no return on investment on the PC version.

Just seems funny that PC gamers spend all this money on a rig yet their too cheap to actually buy games.

That is a fallacious argument, categorically speaking. They "feel the need to justify it" because there's a whole propaganda machine started by greedy hollywood middlemen telling them that they are the scum of the earth. It's similar to why gays have to "justify" being gay, not because there is anything wrong with it, but because so many people are trying to tell them that something is wrong with it.

If you read between the lines of the OP, "it's easier and cheaper" is precisely what he's saying, and that what he's saying is that things need to become, if not significantly cheaper, at least easier for end users. No-one is not making that argument, i think.

i cannot speak for others, but i personally cheered when the Berlin Mayor openly declared "i am gay and there is nothing wrong with it" but that arument is so much beside the point that i wouldn't even know where to begin to argue. but if you compare a perfectly natural emotion to pirating, then it is you who uses false arguments!

the point is, if he pirates because it's easier and cheaper he should say so, it would save him a lot of time and effort. but does he do it? no, because i feels it is not right. it doesn't even matter where this feeling of right and wrong comes from.

I sometimes pirate but only when I feel justified in doing so.

Two pirating "justifications"

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Major recent Film about Monkeys getting above their station.

Wanted to watch this as a streaming rental. Something I do a lot and am happy to pay for. Im not at all into owning the physical media as I havent got the room to store DVD's and havent the memory of a goldfish.
One viewing is quite enough for me.

Anyway I know its been released by the rights holder for Streaming consumption as a friend watched it the other night. I access my provider to order the movie but its not there !!!!

One quick phonecall later and I find out that a company has paid the rights holder for a months exclusivity.

OH NO YOU DONT !

Me+Torrent Search+20Mbps internet connection = watching movie 45 mins later.

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Burning Rom Software

I needed a new Internal DVD drive and after much comparing and contrasting I plumped for a retail version which came with Burning ROM software. It cost a bit more because of the software but what the hey. I like to get a good deal and I needed the software

I install drive and software. All good until the software is fired up and reports its some gimped LITE version which basically wont do anything like Burn a DVD. Helpful pop up informs me its 150 USD to upgrade.

I am now pissed. Check box to see if Ive been silly and missed something. No box states Free Copy of Burning ROM included.

Flyer inside the sealed box reveals the god awful truth. Sofware is a cut down version and I've just been mugged.

OH NO YOU DONT !

Me+Torrent Search+Fast Internet Connection = Fully featured software installed 2 hours later.

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Everything else I pay for.

I often have problems elocuting the point i'm trying to make, and the fallaciousness of your earlier argument is the underlying idea that people who need to justify who they are have to be guilty of something, which is not the case. It sits in similar with the fallacy regarding privacy laws "if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't be worried." Your "if you felt fully moral in your actions, you wouldn't have to justify it," works similarly, and fails the acid test of argument due to those problems

You're projecting onto his motivations for not doing something that he is actually doing, a logical snarl. Although he does not overtly state it, his entire thesis revolves around the notion that "piracy is cheaper and easier and that's why i do it, because media should be cheaper and easier."

do you realize that you keep repeating the point that i make?

he pirated because it is cheaper and easier, but he makes all the effort to describe it in a way it feels justifiable to him, that is all i am saying, and that is what you just said.

i really really don't see what you are trying to tell me here, or why we are even arguing.

Then what exactly am I doing wrong when I download Xenoblade, Soma Bringer and most likely The Last Story?

Media paints me as a terrible human being.