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yo_john117 on 23 January 2012
pezus said:


My argument has some truth in it yet it's bogus? This isn't some unknown factor like RROD, it's just basic maths. 360 has been selling software at a faster rate because it has always been ahead in hardware sales. Bigger base = more people buying games each year. It's not until PS3 catches 360 (if it does) that it can start catching up on the software side. This is no speculation factor, if you think it is then you didn't get what I was saying. I'll try to think of a better analogy or try to word it better later tonight if so, but I must go now so I can't do it quite yet

Ugh you so did not get my point so I will be simple and direct.

This is my point: The best way to look at this is simply by the tie ratios...nothing more nothing less.

I got your point but that's your opinion...nothing more nothing less. Hardly a point, but rather a statement. You still keep walking around what I said and just repeat the same thing over and over again

>_>

Your argument quite a few variables in it hence making it speculation (certainly not bad speculation either...I just don't think that's the best way of looking at it). Actually when I think about it the absolute best way to look at software if you want to see which sold more is to align the launches.



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sully1311 on 23 January 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.


I would hope it did good aswell!



Shinobi-san on 23 January 2012
pezus said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:

Sure but so is your argument. Realistically though the only reasonable thing to do is look at attach rates because everything else is just "what if's".

You can what if all you want but it doesn't change reality.


Did I say it did? No...I've explained my reason for saying this. I explained why your and Seece's argument was flawed. Now give me a reason why mine is because I think it's a very reasonable explanation. Maybe not the best analogy as it was written in a hurry and I'm not a natural English speaker, but hopefully you get the point

Actually my main argument for tie ratios is the most realistic, reasonable way of looking at. Like I said you can "what if" all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the 360 sells more software per console.

Sure your agrument probably has some truth in it but why bother with excuses this late in the gen because I could easily come up with a bogus counter-argument to your's such as using a favorite like how the 360 has a lower install base due to RROD which makes the tie ratio even more impressive, but it's just completely pointless and in the end is just pure speculation.


My argument has some truth in it yet it's bogus? This isn't some unknown factor like RROD, it's just basic maths. 360 has been selling software at a faster rate because it has always been ahead in hardware sales. Bigger base = more people buying games each year. It's not until PS3 catches 360 (if it does) that it can start catching up on the software side. This is no speculation factor, if you think it is then you didn't get what I was saying. I'll try to think of a better analogy or try to word it better later tonight if so, but I must go now so I can't do it quite yet

Ugh you so did not get my point so I will be simple and direct.

This is my point: The best way to look at this is simply by the tie ratios...nothing more nothing less.

I got your point but that's your opinion...nothing more nothing less. Hardly a point, but rather a statement. You still keep walking around what I said and just repeat the same thing over and over again

lol i dont think they got your point Pezus...it makes perfect sense though.

@yo_john if all we must look at is tie ratios then the discussion on ps3 compared to 360 sw sales becomes moot, what then is the point of discussion??



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o_O.Q on 23 January 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.

it was also on the market for 20% longer than its competitors...



ZaneWane on 23 January 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.

truer words



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Zlejedi on 23 January 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.

And with plenty of RROD and hacked consoles.

Which is why I'm calling bullshit on x360 software numbers outside of USA/Western Europe- for which unlike Sony/Nintendo there are no total shipment data to benchmark against.



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ZaneWane on 24 January 2012
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.

truer words



excuses wont change fact that xbox has 100 million software lead   



Reasonable on 24 January 2012

360 and PS3 are more or less neck and neck, time adjusted, for HW.

For SW 360 definitely sells a bit more. This is down to two factors so far as I can see:

1 - MS has pushed out more versions of high selling franchises vs Sony (on PS3 there has been one full GT and one minor GT release, plus 3 Uncharted titles in terms of big selling exclusives, plus 1 God of War and 1 MGS. MS has pushed out 3 Halo titles, plus 3 Gears titles, plus 2 Forza titles, etc in the same time frame. Sony has pushed out more exclusives overall but one Reach can easily sell the same as four mid range exclusives on PS3. MS stategy isn't so good for game diversity for the player but makes sense in terms of unit sales - it's basically down to do you release 1 Avatar film vs 4 solid and very different films in different genres?)

2 - MS is dominant in two of the regions with the highest purchase rate for games for consoles (so far as I am aware) with the US and UK. These regions are also huge for online FPS/action titles so 360 almost always sees a nice additional boost over PS3 unit sales for key third party titles - given how often CoD titles have releases, selling more of these soon adds up for example).

None of this means PS3 is bad or 360 in itself as a console is magically better, its just down to different strategies for core exclusives and which regions they are dominant in. Personally I'd rather play/watch more stuff than one big title but that's just personal preference. Doesn't make MS strategy wrong and strictly speaking from a unit volume/profit perspective MS strategy makes sense.

Both have sold a lot of SW though and I suspect both will sell a lot more. Each also has a pretty strong attach ratio although 360s should remain ahead unless it sees a sudden drop in big sellers next to PS3 (which could happen I suppose but I suspect MS will remain on point to prevent that. We know at least one more Halo, for example, will launch on 360).
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ZaneWane on 24 January 2012
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
DirtyP2002 said:
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
100 million is still big gap

 360 had a year head start in America in Japan and a year and a half in Europe. Considering they both sold ~150m software last year, I'd say the difference is almost all because of the headstart.


the gap for the software is waaaayyyy bigger than for the hardware.

Xbox 360 sold 5.2% more hardware, but 20% more software.
This is without XBLA, field dominated by the 360.

truer words



excuses wont change fact that xbox has 100 million software lead   

You clearly didn't read my other responses.

every one of them sound like excuse so accept xbox sold more software fair and square and move on



ethomaz on 24 January 2012

I just waiting how much software Sony shipped... the last gap (Q3 FY 2011) was 501.9m shipped for 427.0m sold... 74.9m on shelves.

And the shipped ratio was 501.9m / 55.5 = 9.04 games per PS3.