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happydolphin on 21 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
happydolphin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
happydolphin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Nope...its not embarrassing. The $60 retails are the games which are generationally used to sway the console wars are the ones who count and provide the face of a console. XBLA doesn't have to lose a year to PSN. PSN and XBLA are just additions with lower budget titles or old classics (thats all).They ARE pretty much even NOW, backlog or no backlog. 

Respectfully, I starkly disagree. For one I don't remember any support for downloadable games in the pre-Wii-HD era.

Since the whole WIiware/XBLA/PSN program is a new phenomenon in the industry, it's time we recognize it. 

Thirdly, if you fail to follow the times, what will you do when all software becomes DLable? Segregate by price? No way...

The metrics are quality and enjoyment. If a game is of high quality but provides little excitement, it still fails to satisfy the industry as you seem to advocate for.

Wait...you mean to tell me that you believe XBLA and PSN are console sellers?

As a whole, yes. They are life support in a sense and satisfy a portion of diet like Jay said. If I were to tell you two consoles have respectable exclusives, but one also offers more interesting dl'able games, without deeper knowledge, which would you go for? Also, if I were not a fan of Sony's games, I'd certainly rather a 360 for the alternate kinect/XBLA diet, easy. It's what you would call value-add.

 

And what of the day when all becomes software-only? What then?

If you stated XBLA and PSN titles are value adders, then they are only secondary treats or values as you say. They are of no concern in a primary conversation because when you buy an Xbox its usually with Halo, Fable, Forza, Gears, or COD on it. Casual titles are primary on the 360 because it has penetrated Nintendos casual market. The only console who treats casual games a secondary is Sony. 

There will always be a difference between a generational game an indy game and the time that changes, the company will most likely have found an investor and made a bigger, better game. Older titles on PSN are slotted under older titles like PS1, PS2 downloadable games, DLC, Add-ons, Disc based Add-ons and more. They are not pitted together in reality.

I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that even if MS is offering the value-add in full, they are lacking in their primary due to a poor business decision, one which Sony hasn't taken. I for one am still okay with it, but maybe you're a more dedicated gamer than I am. I tend to content myself with a few good games (exclusive or not), and am happy with a solid value-add, since my tastes are picky. I will enjoy the team ico games, but as incredibly awesome as GoOW3 is, it isn't a game I enjoy. When that happens too often, I prefer the alternative, if you know what I mean. Also though their 1st party offerings may not be enough for some, the totality of their primary (1st+2nd+3rd party exclusives + multiplats) might still be enough for many a buyer.

And since OP is about new IPs, I agree that Sony is the leader in that regard, and that is something unique in the industry, I hope they can carry the torch forward for much more time, but if I had my say I would like if their games stayed cool, but were in general less violent. My tastes you know?

Bottom line, for my tastes, I think MS is offering an acceptable amount of new IPs alongside their 1st/3rd party exclusives, their multiplats, and their value-adds. Acceptable in terms of the industry, and acceptable in terms of a sound client purchase. However it's undeniable that Sony is one upping them on the IP front so, though MS is safe, when their market will be established, they should consider boosting their new IP offerings. Sony is doing good to the industry, but not to themselves. Money drives money, the market isn't a charity either.



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NYANKS on 21 January 2012

Sony does quality and quantity. They've had a few GOTY candidates this gen, and at least one winner. They do both. Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet. In the past they've had Crash Bandicoot (a big series), Spyro, tons of great games.

And Gears isn't first party. You can't attribute that to MS. MS has Halo, Fable, Forza. Those are the big ones I think might have missed something.



Mr Puggsly on 21 January 2012
LivingMetal said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I'm not a fan of shooters, racers, and motion controlled games so the PS3 will have more going for me than the Xbox 360.  But in terms on catering to the masses in general, the titles you mention will outweigh the PS3's line up.  In fact, Alan Wake and Fable appeal FAR more to me than the other titles you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as financially successful than the titles you mentioned.  So sales in not the issue here.

There are more good 360 exclusives than the ones I mentioned, but I was more so focusing on titles that push hardware.

Eitherway, the 360 library as a whole has plenty of variety. The exclusives account for a small fraction of overall sales on both HD platforms.



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yo_john117 on 21 January 2012
d21lewis said:
Not a fan of this thread, really. I'll just give this parting shot.

I think that most people look at a console and see if it has a few games that they will like to play. I doubt anybody buys a 360 for Ms. Splosion Man (though it is an EXCELLENT GAME) or a PS3 for Pixel Junk Shooter. That's just an awesome treat after you've already made the purchase. When you look at the console, you look at the totality of the library. Witcher 2 is on the PC? That doesn't mean you suddenly can't play it for your 360. DCU Online? Same goes for that game. Console mult-plats, too. Call of Duty on PS3 doesn't suddenly mean Call of Duty suddenly isn't on 360. You just look at what you can play vs. what you can't play.

It comes down to whether you'd rather play with Move or Kinect. Whether a dozen games in a lot of areas like LBP, Uncharted, and inFamous are more important to you than a few games in certain key genres like Gears, Forza, or Fable. It comes down to the "system sellers". Are a few blockbusters more important that a lot of variety? Are those blockbusters enough and can 3rd party titles pad out the library?

Man, my thoughts aren't really focused at all with this post. I'm sleepy. I'll try again, later.

 

I think we can safely say /thread guys



S.T.A.G.E. on 22 January 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
LivingMetal said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I'm not a fan of shooters, racers, and motion controlled games so the PS3 will have more going for me than the Xbox 360.  But in terms on catering to the masses in general, the titles you mention will outweigh the PS3's line up.  In fact, Alan Wake and Fable appeal FAR more to me than the other titles you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as financially successful than the titles you mentioned.  So sales in not the issue here.

There are more good 360 exclusives than the ones I mentioned, but I was more so focusing on titles that push hardware.

Eitherway, the 360 library as a whole has plenty of variety. The exclusives account for a small fraction of overall sales on both HD platforms.


The first three years of the 360's life had variety and then it all went down hill after that. It all changed as soon as the third party games they were getting were no longer seen as exclusives and they were stuck fending for themselves. They rode out the deals they made this gen and cashed in on Gears of War. It was the same games from that point forward. Shooter, shooter, shooter. I'm also hearing they want another shooter thats like Uncharted 3.  Awesome Microsoft, way to think for yourself. :)



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S.T.A.G.E. on 22 January 2012
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
denniswaterman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

You must forget the Move can control things with depth within a 3D or augmented reality space. The Kinect cannot.

Yeah it can. Any avatar in whatever game supports them is a 3D object withing 3D space and calculated via 24 points in space at any given moment per player. (48 for 2 player games) Move supports 2 points per player .

S.T.A.G.E. said:

2.  Ghost Recon and Forza 4: Move and/or gaming wheel.

sorry, bra no controllers allowed. Just basic Kinect functionality.


youre grasping at straws the move can do all of the things mentioned and a headset couldve been employed on the pc and ps3 versions of mass effect 3. they just chose not to employ them. the kinect makes you the controller but microsoft failed to prove this gen that the kinect could be used to make core games.  when you have no controller theystill cant figure out a way to control 3d space. the move did it before it launched. for gaming purposes there is no comparison. all youre praising is a powerful camera when many cameras can do the same. microsoft just so happened to work out an exclusive partnership with bioware for something most wont use.

please some proof for that. I think its more the fact that kinect basically does free voice controls for them so they didn't have to put resources towards devolping a voice program. If its so easy to do with a mic more companies would do so. Kinect saves them the cost of doing the work, that why its not on pc and ps3. Also they have a game already that lets you control your character in a 3d space, Rise of Nightmares. So please dont make baseless claims.

The Kinect bull has already been admitted.
http://www.xg247.co.uk/news/06/e3-2011-lve-mass-effect-3-doesnt-need-kinect-for-voice-commands/

http://kotaku.com/5810138/mass-effect-3s-new-voice-commands-are-xbox-360+only-and-heres-why

Its amazing how Microsoft can drop a line at someone and they will so easily believe it. This is just them continuing to convince gamers kinect is core. Its just not. Sorry, its not. 



FinalEvangelion on 22 January 2012

What I do know is that MS is going to have to make some major changes in their game dev strategy if I am to consider getting the 720. Right now, I'm planning on getting the Wii U and PS4 and skipping out on the 720 since it looks like it's just going to be shooters and Kinect as far as what it offers differently. I don't hate the MS brand - it's just that their offering appeals to me the least of the three companies. It was totally different in 2008-2009 when they were catering to the Japanese market. I was playing the Xbox a lot then.

Call me over the hill, but I just don't care about shooters or online gaming at all. Same with motion controls unless properly implemented like Skyward Sword.



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 22 January 2012
denniswaterman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


youre grasping at straws the move can do all of the things mentioned and a headset couldve been employed on the pc and ps3 versions of mass effect 3. they just chose not to employ them. the kinect makes you the controller but microsoft failed to prove this gen that the kinect could be used to make core games.  when you have no controller theystill cant figure out a way to control 3d space. the move did it before it launched. for gaming purposes there is no comparison. all youre praising is a powerful camera when many cameras can do the same. microsoft just so happened to work out an exclusive partnership with bioware for something most wont use.

sorry bra, the point is that there's no head set required, because the headset will of course be used for party chat so i got the party chat and the kinect voice command going on at the same time, you really telling me i gotta use 2 headsets to get the same experince? what about the multiplayer mode, me and buddy gotta use 4 headsets? crazy.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

 the kinect makes you the controller but microsoft failed to prove this gen that the kinect could be used to make core games.  when you have no controller theystill cant figure out a way to control 3d space.

Forza 4 auto vista mode proves you wrong bra, you can jump kick crouch and run and sit in 3 dimensions, thats not the only game kinect sports 1 and 2,  adventures, the gunstringer, kinectimals, yourself fitness and starwars and more allow one to traverse 3d space

 


http://www.xg247.co.uk/news/06/e3-2011-lve-mass-effect-3-doesnt-need-kinect-for-voice-commands/

The no headset bullshit is another Microsoft illusion they've created. They've just worked it out so Kinect is the only one with voice controls. It CAN be done with a proper headset. Voice controls could be done with a headset but would require work on Biowares part in R&D to make it work. Kinect just made it easier on them. Voice commands in no way proves Kinect is for the core.



FinalEvangelion on 22 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LivingMetal said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I'm not a fan of shooters, racers, and motion controlled games so the PS3 will have more going for me than the Xbox 360.  But in terms on catering to the masses in general, the titles you mention will outweigh the PS3's line up.  In fact, Alan Wake and Fable appeal FAR more to me than the other titles you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as financially successful than the titles you mentioned.  So sales in not the issue here.

There are more good 360 exclusives than the ones I mentioned, but I was more so focusing on titles that push hardware.

Eitherway, the 360 library as a whole has plenty of variety. The exclusives account for a small fraction of overall sales on both HD platforms.


The first three years of the 360's life had variety and then it all went down hill after that. It all changed as soon as the third party games they were getting were no longer seen as exclusives and they were stuck fending for themselves. They rode out the deals they made this gen and cashed in on Gears of War. It was the same games from that point forward. Shooter, shooter, shooter. I'm also hearing they want another shooter thats like Uncharted 3.  Awesome Microsoft, way to think for yourself. :)


The cancellation of "Cry On" was the turning point for me with the Xbox.  At that point, I knew that MS was going in a different direction than my tastes.  Even third party-wise, PS3 has more that appeals to me when you consider Valkyria, Yakuza, Tales of Graces, Xillia (hopefully), Ni No Kuni, etc.



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.

 

thranx on 22 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
denniswaterman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

You must forget the Move can control things with depth within a 3D or augmented reality space. The Kinect cannot.

Yeah it can. Any avatar in whatever game supports them is a 3D object withing 3D space and calculated via 24 points in space at any given moment per player. (48 for 2 player games) Move supports 2 points per player .

S.T.A.G.E. said:

2.  Ghost Recon and Forza 4: Move and/or gaming wheel.

sorry, bra no controllers allowed. Just basic Kinect functionality.


youre grasping at straws the move can do all of the things mentioned and a headset couldve been employed on the pc and ps3 versions of mass effect 3. they just chose not to employ them. the kinect makes you the controller but microsoft failed to prove this gen that the kinect could be used to make core games.  when you have no controller theystill cant figure out a way to control 3d space. the move did it before it launched. for gaming purposes there is no comparison. all youre praising is a powerful camera when many cameras can do the same. microsoft just so happened to work out an exclusive partnership with bioware for something most wont use.

please some proof for that. I think its more the fact that kinect basically does free voice controls for them so they didn't have to put resources towards devolping a voice program. If its so easy to do with a mic more companies would do so. Kinect saves them the cost of doing the work, that why its not on pc and ps3. Also they have a game already that lets you control your character in a 3d space, Rise of Nightmares. So please dont make baseless claims.

The Kinect bull has already been admitted.
http://www.xg247.co.uk/news/06/e3-2011-lve-mass-effect-3-doesnt-need-kinect-for-voice-commands/

Its amazing how Microsoft can drop a line at someone and they will so easily believe it. This is just them continuing to convince gamers kinect is core. Its just not. Sorry, its not. 


STAGE: "Voice controls could be done with a headset but would require work on Biowares part in R&D to make it work. Kinect just made it easier on them. Voice commands in no way proves Kinect is for the core."

 

i'm confused. I thought you disagreed with me.