Turkish said:
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You don't own a business, right?
Turkish said:
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You don't own a business, right?
kowenicki said:
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Yeah, I think 2012 may be the last peak year for PS3. Supposedly they ship another 15 million for fiscal 2012
It will mean they will be at +-76 million. 1/3 of it is around 25 million, I expect another 25-30 million units shipped after fiscal 2012 spread around the years to come.
Kynes said:
You don't own a business, right? |
Are you implying that Sony is making a loss on every PS3 sold? If so, how much do they lose?
Turkish said:
Are you implying that Sony is making a loss on every PS3 sold? If so, how much do they lose? |
I'm implying that reducing a 33% of the MRSP in one year is not an intelligent decision for a company that has had loses since FY2008. More so at the end of a generation, where most purchasers spend much less money in games than the early adopters, and use to buy second hand games, and with the huge losses that the strong yen provides.
I don't know how much Sony profits or losses on every unit sold, but I know something, and it's that Sony should concentrate on profits, not in marketshare, at the end of the generation and with the debt problems they have.
PS: Kowen has explained better than me. If I were a Sony head honcho, I probably would be pragmatic and being the PS3 the 1st or near 1st most purchased console of 2011, I wouldn't reduce it's MRSP in 2012 based on some fans wet dreams or some shill analyst comments.
I think that a price cut will help sales of both consoles, but at the same time i think it probably won`t be as effective as it could have been in the past.
6/7 years on the market, no matter the tag price, is still a lot of time. Who`s still waiting by now for a price cut to 199/149 or even 99? Some, yes, but how many? A lot of people probably got tired of waiting and just ended up paying a higher price today than they would have done last generation at the same period of time.
At this time, i`m not sure that price cuts will be as affective as they were in other years. Not to mention that if prices remain this high when Wii U arives, gamers might see an advantage in investing more now in a Wii U for just more 100/150 dollars/euros, than let`s say, if the consoles were already at 99/149, which would make the investment bigger and less affordable and something for future years.
kowenicki said:
The PS3 was down 20% YOY for December wasnt it? and the 360 only slightly up. So combined they were clearly down. |
If I'm not wrong someone in MS said the consumers are buying early... the full holiday (Nov and Dec) have both UP yoy.
Edit - I see now... you already posted that.
This year is a bit confusing : record sales and market down at the same time ! What i understand is that jan to nov saw record sales for HDs in US but dec was weak in US... in US, WW ? only HDs ?, etc. that's a mess.
The question is : how much people own both 360 and PS3 ? If we don't know we can't tell if there is saturation ! I think HDs can sell at least 160m combined and they're only at circa 127m... there's still room !
Kai Master said: This year is a bit confusing : record sales and market down at the same time ! What i understand is that jan to nov saw record sales for HDs in US but dec was weak in US... in US, WW ? only HDs ?, etc. that's a mess. |
The HD consoles see a grow this year but the Wii drooped so much... so even with the grow of PS3 and 360 the market is down.
ethomaz said:
The HD consoles see a grow this year but the Wii drooped so much... so even with the grow of PS3 and 360 the market is down. |
Mostly this, but also reduced PS3 cost means lower revenue.