not just me failing, everyone. The scum were sure they had lost. In a game of 9vs 3 there wouldn't be 2 cops leading to one being lynched.

Back to the swinyness of my role though.  Had the town no lynched a sibling or the princess, they very well could have been killed by me. If not night 2 then on night 4 or night 6.

The other thing about the role I think of as swingy is the lack of anyone knowing about it but the mod.  You might have know that there would be more townies killed, but no one else did.

Heck with how my role was supposed to work had the mafia lost they would have had every right to be pissed at you for holding the kills.

Well you also made us waste a Night Kill. Radish wanted to try to kill you again on the next night but thanks to my wild imagination (and trying to make sense of the apparent disadvantage for my team)  I thought that killing Katherine (Noctis) who I knew was a simple vanilla townie would bring you over to our side.

So your killing ability was offset by the fact that you were unkillable and the fact that being Vincent you were bound to attract night kills.

But the game was not 9v3, it was 11v3.

At the very worst, your ability over the course of 6 days would result in the deaths of only 4 townies. So, let's just immediately remove those from the game. 11,10, 9, 8, 7, no vote for you makes 6.

So you guys had two days, nay, given the second night the princess provided, you had three nights to figure out who was mafia. And even then, remember that mafia lost the second kill for the princess due to targeting you. And had you incorrectly lynched, the game would STILL not be over since vig was a third party, allowing him to shoot and even the game AGAIN.

So, in essence we have a 7v3 starting at night giving the cop an investigation right away, and the announcer an announcement, and two doc protections equating to roughly 10-20% chance to successfully block a kill, and going into day one with two investigations and two doc attempts. Town could then lynch someone -> 5v3 go into night, then back to morning ->4v3, mislynch again, 3v3, lose someone at night, then in the morning, shoot trucks, gain a vote back 3v2 and only THEN need to lynch a mafia. Even with all the factors going extremely bad for town, they would NEED to lynch someone by day 2, and at the very least still have a chance by day 3.

Sorry, not swingy.

The game is and was about lynches. Town failed nearly every single lynch, and even went out on a limb for radish when Trucks had a frackin guilty investigation.

Hello martha, long time no see, ya know? How's that sister of yours? hahahaha
As you know, you're a watcher....you've..been... a watcher for so many years now, I just wonder how long it'll take for you to die. HAHAHAHHA See you real soon...

my PM, also while I probably wouldn't have defended spurge day 1, when I came back online he was already hammered and to late so even if I would have done so... bleh, it doesn't matter, he was toast, I was toast...

Do we already have a host for the next round? Anybody wants to make the sign-ups?

Also i demand Awards, wahahahaha!

noc:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to NoCtiS_NoX on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hey, what are you doing here?
You don't belong here do you?
Well that's...strange. I guess it makes sense, even if I don't get it, but don't think for a second that you have a chance here...you don't even have a role!

Good luck to you, sweetheart

from NoCtiS_NoX on 27 January 2012
Hey do I have an abiltiy?? Just like you told on that TV post?? or am I just a sheep( vanilla ) ?

from theprof00 on 27 January 2012
Oh i forgot to tell you, you're catherine

from NoCtiS_NoX on 27 January 2012
Woah! I am Catherine? so do I have an ability of some sorts?

from theprof00 on 27 January 2012
What is this, 20 questions?

from NoCtiS_NoX on 01 February 2012
Hey, you forgot to send me a link on the dead thread. Can you please send me the link? Thanks!

from theprof00 on 02 February 2012
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/qjgCKeBw6gKpq


WONK:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to Wonktonodi on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hello Vincent,
and what a pleasant surprise, I have to say.
You're a bad boy, and you've screwed with the wrong people, haven't you...No need to confess, I won't forgive you...I'm not a priest or anything hahaha.
Let's see how well you do in there..
Buuuuuut I'm thinking you're probably going to let someone down, won't you...

from Wonktonodi on 18 January 2012
since I am a little bored and the rules say there are none. I think I will try something crazy :)
I want to Kill Hatmoza with lightning

from theprof00 on 18 January 2012
You make me smile

from Wonktonodi on 27 January 2012
so I am just vanilla right?

from theprof00 on 27 January 2012
hmm dunno

from Wonktonodi on 27 January 2012
I hate you :P
kill radish
investigate linkz
paralyze baal
switch TOS and FF
protect myself
and let MG know I am a townie
lol

from Wonktonodi on 27 January 2012
make that investigate nox no need to investigate the dead

MG94
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to MetalGear_94 on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879

Hi Justin, you've eluded death for a long time huh? Must be those little techniques you have for working your way around the blocks... well, I'm sure you'll meet Vincent along the way.
Feel free to share your techniques with him, I'm sure he'll be very grateful when he wakes up.
Give me someone to root for before I smack them down. MMKay?

from MetalGear_94 on 16 January 2012
Do I have a role?

from theprof00 on 16 January 2012
hhahah I'm not here to help YOU little justin.

from MetalGear_94 on 20 January 2012
Is it possible to send a message to Vincent?

from theprof00 on 20 January 2012
Sorry little dude. You don't even know who Vincent is. HAHAHA

from MetalGear_94 on 25 January 2012
Another night, another try, lulz. Okay, wonk is Vincent, now is it possible to do something with this information?

from theprof00 on 25 January 2012
Youve already done something by saying that!
(I was actually just fucking with him by saying that. His passive was always active. I was just tired of hearing him send me questions.)

BAAL:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to Baalzamon on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hi Daniel, this must be hard for you. You were doing so well, and now you've just given up, haven't you. I can't say you'll last long, but it should be fun for me regardless.
I can't wait to see who you're going to kill, even if you can only do it once.

from Baalzamon on 25 January 2012
I'm going to kill Vette, immediately, if I understand correctly that there are no real limitations to my role, other than only having 1 kill.

MORENO:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to morenoingrato on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Rapunzel rapunzel rapunzel.
You don't even really exist, do you?
Well, even though you can't really die, if you get stepped on by your "prince" then things might not look to good for the other townies, princess.

from morenoingrato on 16 January 2012
eeermmm... What? =P

from theprof00 on 22 January 2012 It appears you've had a pretty good time last night. Someone visited you and showed you all the bedrooms wonder you could dream of. You got it hard fast and nasty, and you know your life will never feel the same again.
Good job, you.
(s)he enjoyed it too.

SPURGE:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to spurgeonryan on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hello Lindsay, it's been a while, hasn't it?
How ever did you become able to live in the real world? Is there something you and your sister figured out? I know you like to keep an eye on certain people, seeing who visits them and everything...but for a hundred years? Oh my, you devious girl.
Have fun watching these guys, they're real garbage hahaha

from spurgeonryan on 16 January 2012
Alright, so after checking 3 sites I finally found out who lindsay is.

Am I an oracle or fortune teller? Or does everyone just guess what their abilities are and what we can do?

from spurgeonryan on 17 January 2012
Damn you....:P

from spurgeonryan on 17 January 2012
I will shoot hatmoza now. Since there ar no rules.

from theprof00 on 17 January 2012
hahaha you wish, little one. You don't have that ability.

from spurgeonryan on 17 January 2012
Alright then I want to use my psychic powers to find out if Hatmoza is mafia or not.

from theprof00 on 17 January 2012
my my my, try thinking a little harder. You have even begun to figure out who you are

from spurgeonryan on 19 January 2012
Since I have a sister, can I communicate through messages with her?

from theprof00 on 19 January 2012
Who knows?

from spurgeonryan on 19 January 2012
Alright then I will message stefl. What about my other PM?

from theprof00 on 19 January 2012
Now, now, you can't just invent rules for yourself.

from spurgeonryan on 19 January 2012
So then I am a watcher. No rules. So tonight I would like to watch two players.

from spurgeonryan on 19 January 2012
Thank god I figured out what my ability is. I am unlynchable. Thanks Mod!

VETTE:
Mafia Role
from theprof00, to Vetteman94 on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hello...Vincent...
wait, you're not really vincent at all are you? Ah yes, you're vincent's dark side. That makes sense. Vincent just wants to help everyone but he always ends up holding them back. I guess that's your doing, isn't it? Well, put your skills to good use, because you have a lot of people to send to the grave.
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Txea47WdUsPtf

from Vetteman94 on 16 January 2012
Um, what my role. this message doesnt specify. Plus the quick topic doesnt seem like its for me

from theprof00 on 16 January 2012
I'm just here for the show, huehuehuehuehue

from Vetteman94 on 16 January 2012
Um, what my role. this message doesnt specify. Plus the quick topic doesnt seem like its for me

STEFL:
from theprof00, to Stefl1504 on 16 January 2012 (Delete Message)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138879
Hello martha, long time no see, ya know? How's that sister of yours? hahahaha
As you know, you're a watcher....you've..been... a watcher for so many years now, I just wonder how long it'll take for you to die. HAHAHAHHA See you real soon...

I never complained about the balance prof. It was a punishing setup for town though, and I'll get to that later. Nor was it swingy IMO. Baal had the most "swing control" followed by TOS. The passive kill ability was very minimal swing.

Town deserved to lose this one, though most didn't play horribly.
Spurge lied about who he was, which would have been grand if planned due to his actual role, but then he slipped up bad. Stefl never had a chance to try and save Spurge, stop placing blame on him.
moreno made no sense, and though I had an inkling he could be the princess and thus cautioned the votes to cease towards him.(also in a successful effort to draw out scum, radish, imo) The problem is siblings already flipped and a second town-punishing role like a princess isn't going to be on people's minds. Then moreno lynches himself.. o.O
nen and FF both claimed cop. With watcher-siblings and a flavor cop already flipped, both existing isn't a likely thought in a game of 14. Even without the other powers known, you can essentially count on the two roles butting heads at some point and a mislynch occuring. Unless the naive cop dies first, and then the other should still be under some strong suspicion. If the normal cop dies first the naive cop will realize he's basically useless(were you trolling with the 75% correct scans remark? lol)
Truck should have been lynched over radish. I can understand others not trusting FF fully, but he shouldn't have been thinking two cops with broken results exist. TOS probably would have been the lynch of the day too if radish didn't basically throw himself in front of the bus, and that move alone unknowingly kept town from turning it around.

I gotta run at the moment, but food for thought:
Town could lynch not-town at EVERY opportunity and still lose. Chew on that.

Thats not possible.
11v3
For the sake of argumnet, say no lynch and siblings die at night.
9 or 8 with wonks no vote vs 3.
Town lynches mafia 8 v 2.
Mafia kills princess and then another townie, then eonk kills a townie.
5v2.
Town lynches mafia. 5v1.
Wonk and baal and mafia all kill one. 2 v1
This precludes the fact that doc can protect a wonk victim and wonk can be blocked by two different people and mafia and wonk could both potentially target the same person.
So no. Town could lynch at every opportunity and win even under the condition that docs dont protect anyone wonk is never blocked wonk has no vote until the very end, actually survives to the very end baal kills a townie

For the record, I appreciate that this round was carefully thought out and well balanced (especially considering how difficult it must have been to balance some of those strange roles)

The flavour was some of the best that I've seen for a while too

Oh prof, survivor is not-town. You admitted as much already "It started as 10 town vs 3 mafia vs 1 survivor."

Here we go!
Day one begins 10v3v1 and town lynches radish instead, Hooray! Night one begins 10v2v1 and mafia kill hatmoza still, Booo! Anyone not Wonk/Baal/hatmoza protected(unless hat is blocked) would do though.
Day two begins 9v2v1 and town lynches Vetteman off a tremendous scan by FF, Sweeeet! Night two begins 9v1v1, mafia kill moreno, Crud! Baal logically holds his shot since town is doing so well. Wonk ignored poor Noctis and he dies.
Day three is skipped, night three begins 7v1v1. Mafia kill Stefl and Baal shoots, but hits nen, Ughhh! Even worse, Spurge watched nen to witness the kill.
Day four begins 5v1v1, and going off the dying sibling's scan Baal is lynched, Meh.!. Night four begins 5v1, but Spurge perishes, mafia kill me, and Wonk ignores MG into oblivion. Ut ohs!
Day five begins 2v1, but Wonk has no vote because TOS is still alive, and thus town loses. Da fuk!?