Fixed. 

Seems the only people who do care are PS3 loyal. Nintendo fans dont care. 360 fans dont mind going by shipped. The only camp that is sensitive seems to have a PS3 bias. 

Personally this all stems from PS3 being last place. PS1/PS2 was on top and now PS3 is last and struggling to take 2nd. The fans are used to being #1 so whenever theres real facts that prove just how far the brand has fallen....they fight and spin and complain until they are convinced the PS3 ir performing like how the PS2 did. 

This might be out there, but I feel its the root of all this sensitivity. I can assure you the 360 camp doesn't mind this one bit. 

The magic of spin, even in utter defeat. Classic PS3 fan spin: if you cant argue it....ignore it lol. Ignore how MS just outperformed Sony on every level this year. 

Best part is, you can't prove that bolded statement. Its all spin and personal hopes and dreams lol. 

So until u CAN prove it, MS won. 

Since PS3 fans are saying that MS overshipped oct-dec with NO REAL PROOF. Let me say the same thing. I am announcing here and now that Sony overshipped PS3s in oct-dec as well. I have no proof of this, but that isnt stopping PS3 gamers from saying that about MS :)

The magic of spin, even in utter defeat. Classic PS3 fan spin: if you cant argue it....ignore it lol. Ignore how MS just outperformed Sony on every level this year. 

Best part is, you can't prove that bolded statement. Its all spin and personal hopes and dreams lol. 

So until u CAN prove it, MS won. 

Since PS3 fans are saying that MS overshipped oct-dec with NO REAL PROOF. Let me say the same thing. I am announcing here and now that Sony overshipped PS3s in oct-dec as well. I have no proof of this, but that isnt stopping PS3 gamers from saying that about MS :)

That's why i constantly see massive MS cheerleaders like you in nearly every single 360 vs ps3 2011 sales thread kicking up a fuss, acting in denial and only going by the numbers that suit the 360 best, pot calling kettle black.

It's as simple as this, this is a website that deals in ACTUAL SOLD TO CONSUMER NUMBERS NOT SHIPPED. Earlier in the year Microsoft claimed they would sell the most to consumers NOT SHIP THE MOST TO RETAILERS. Microsoft lost & because they lost now we have a situation where 360 fans constantly post and try to shift focus away from Microsoft losing their bet by bragging about profits and shipment numbers (whilst also being in denial that Microsoft overshipped).

Im sorry but VG chartz does shipped articles all the time......

And you have NO proof of MS over shipping in Oct-Dec. Just personal propaganda to convince yourself. 

You dont get it...profits and shipment numbers is THE OFFICIAL criteria of how one corporation > another. So MS possibly lost their sold though bet....they still won on all official accounts, which is shipped and profits. 

No i HAVE already proved that Microsoft overshipped in the January-March 2011 quarter, just look back a few pages, it's there in black and white. I don't even need to wait for the next shipment data which will show even more overshipping in October-December by Microsoft as well. Keep trying.

The numbers on Vgchartz front page and in their weekly sales data is SOLD TO CONSUMER DATA NOT SHIPPED.

I have already proved that Microsoft overshipped in January-March 2011 a few pages ago, go back and read it, it's a fact. That's different from the up coming January-March 2012 data which we are yet to receive, you've got confused between the two and don't know what you are talking about.

Thanks again for your opinion that shipments and profits are better than actual sales to consumers on a website which is about sold to consumer data. I can tell already what kind of poster you are but you've picked the wrong guy to try and debate with because plain and simple you're wrong.

Ya so u proved jan-mar 2011 but oct-dec over shipping is pure speculation on your part so id cut it out until the april results come in. 

Jus saying

All independent sales data for Oct-Dec 2011 shows that Microsoft overshipped, we will know for 100% sure when the next shipment data comes in but pretending it isn't likely is incredible naive. When companies constantly under or overship, using shipped data for a years worth of sales becomes pretty worthless. Not only is this website about SOLD TO CONSUMER DATA but this thread is specifically about sold to consumer totals not shipped.

Thanks for defining Vgchartz and what the closedminded boundries of this thread are. 

"using shipped data for a years worth of sales becomes pretty worthless". Oh contrair they wouldnt have been able to ship as much if actual sales couldnt keep up. But again its how corporations beat one another. 

 In the real world, Corporations criteria for victory > some guys on a forum. 

So, by all official counts. MS won 2011.