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The PS3/360 Is Over/Undertracked In EU. 135 23.48%
 
Ballmer Was Including A Few Jan Shipments. 67 11.65%
 
MS Stuffed The Channels. 246 42.78%
 
IT'S 2012! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! 123 21.39%
 
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thismeintiel on 02 February 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
...Were they wrong? Not according to the latest figures.

When you use every figure EXCEPT what we have now for sold to consumer, yes they did win.  That's not what any of these threads have been about, though. 



 

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zhao3gold on 02 February 2012

The truth is just as below:

1. Microsoft Profit as a whole company: 6.62 Billion
2. Xbox Division Profit: 528 Million
3. 360 shipments: 8.2 million
4. January to December 2011 - 14.9m 360 Shipped, YOY increase from 2010.
5. Lifetime 360 Shipments = 65.8 Million

1. Sony Profit as a whole company: 2.038 Billion LOSS
2. PS Division Profit: 1.1 billion LOSS
3. PS3 Shipments: 6.5 million
4. January to December 2011 - 14.1m PS3 Shipped, YOY decrease from 2010.
5. Lifetime PS3 Shipments - 62 Million

So based on above results, is it still wrong for MS to claim the #1 spot?



sales2099 on 03 February 2012
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 



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sales2099 on 03 February 2012
zhao3gold said:
The truth is just as below:

1. Microsoft Profit as a whole company: 6.62 Billion
2. Xbox Division Profit: 528 Million
3. 360 shipments: 8.2 million
4. January to December 2011 - 14.9m 360 Shipped, YOY increase from 2010.
5. Lifetime 360 Shipments = 65.8 Million

1. Sony Profit as a whole company: 2.038 Billion LOSS
2. PS Division Profit: 1.1 billion LOSS
3. PS3 Shipments: 6.5 million
4. January to December 2011 - 14.1m PS3 Shipped, YOY decrease from 2010.
5. Lifetime PS3 Shipments - 62 Million

So based on above results, is it still wrong for MS to claim the #1 spot?

I am amazed at the resilience and balls of the PS3 centric camp.....with one sided numbers like this.....behold the power of "spin" is all I can say. wow. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 February 2012
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 


 I love how biased you are to Xbox 360. I just love it. (In a good way)

 

But I wouldnt put too much money on these "confirmed facts" because of the Q1 2012 report. Theres a possibility that MS overshipped. And IF they did, and I said IF....IF they did overship X360. 

 

YOU WILL BE REDICULED. 

 

Mark my words. <>_<>



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 February 2012
thismeintiel said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
...Were they wrong? Not according to the latest figures.

When you use every figure EXCEPT what we have now for sold to consumer, yes they did win.  That's not what any of these threads have been about, though. 


"When you use every figure EXCEPT what we have now for sold to consumer, yes they did win.  That's not what any of these threads have been about, though."

Do you mean?

When you use every OFFICIAL fugure?..

Lol, I dont even think this was a neccessary comment. But whatever. 



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sales2099 on 03 February 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 


 I love how biased you are to Xbox 360. I just love it. (In a good way)

 

But I wouldnt put too much money on these "confirmed facts" because of the Q1 2012 report. Theres a possibility that MS overshipped. And IF they did, and I said IF....IF they did overship X360. 

 

YOU WILL BE REDICULED. 

 

Mark my words. <>_<>

Well thats due in mid april. So thats 2 and a half months of being unquestionably right :D

And im used to being ridiculed. My Youtube identity can attest to that. Trick is that as long as MS is profitable, 360 remains 2nd place, and I get my Halo/Gears/Forza fix.....nothing effects me!



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 February 2012
sales2099 said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 


 I love how biased you are to Xbox 360. I just love it. (In a good way)

 

But I wouldnt put too much money on these "confirmed facts" because of the Q1 2012 report. Theres a possibility that MS overshipped. And IF they did, and I said IF....IF they did overship X360. 

 

YOU WILL BE REDICULED. 

 

Mark my words. <>_<>

Well thats due in mid april. So thats 2 and a half months of being unquestionably right :D

And im used to being ridiculed. My Youtube identity can attest to that. Trick is that as long as MS is profitable, 360 remains 2nd place, and I get my Halo/Gears/Forza fix.....nothing effects me!

So what, do you get rediculed over pointless trolling in youtube? When some one proves you wrong and you cant offer a rebuttal? 



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sales2099 on 03 February 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 


 I love how biased you are to Xbox 360. I just love it. (In a good way)

 

But I wouldnt put too much money on these "confirmed facts" because of the Q1 2012 report. Theres a possibility that MS overshipped. And IF they did, and I said IF....IF they did overship X360. 

 

YOU WILL BE REDICULED. 

 

Mark my words. <>_<>

Well thats due in mid april. So thats 2 and a half months of being unquestionably right :D

And im used to being ridiculed. My Youtube identity can attest to that. Trick is that as long as MS is profitable, 360 remains 2nd place, and I get my Halo/Gears/Forza fix.....nothing effects me!

So what, do you get rediculed over pointless trolling in youtube? When some one proves you wrong and you cant offer a rebuttal? 

Oh cmon I am full of rebuttals on this site! But I really can't be wrong if I am part of the winning team. On YT, your consoles lifetime sales number literally determines your relevancy in a debate (a tactic pioneered by PS2 fanboys of yesterday). But lets end this talk here. Not meant for a regulated forum such as here. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 03 February 2012
sales2099 said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
zhao3gold said:
Seece said:
zhao3gold said:
After all the figures coming out from the FY reports, I think MS is correct to claim they are the #1. From the manufacturers' point of view, the sales are from the shipment. So when MS knew they have shipped more consoles than its competitors in a year, what's wrong for them to claim the #1 spot in hardware sales?

XBOX360 won 2011, just accept it.

Eh, unfortunately have to correct you. It was MS that stated sold to consumer as their target not shipments.

I think even if MS overshipment issues are overblown, their stock on shelves is at least on par with PS3 putting them at a 200k~ gap.

But in most of cases, the manufacturers will not talk about sell through figures because no one can have the exact data from the global market. I think everyone here know the manufacturers call "shipment" as "sales". So I do believe when MS talk about "sales", it means the "shipment" of XBOX360.

I don't deny there is a chance that MS overshipped 360 in Q4. But we are here to talk about 2011, aren't we? So if the cumulative of 360 shipment is more than PS3, it will mean 360 won the CY 2011. The negatvie effect of possible overshipment will be discussed in the topic like "who will win 2012", but not in "who will win 2011".

MS specifically and repeatedly stated sold to consumers, don't move the goalpost now

If thats the only anti 360 spin left here, then its even more assured 360 won. 

I seriously doubt that the official 800k shipped gap between 360 and PS3 is in favour of PS3 when taking into account sold through. Gap is too big. 

But either way, the PS3 camp is clinging to speculation and personal hopes and dreams (lol)...where as these shipped figures are dealing in facts. 

Sorry to specific address you, but everyone who keeps bringing up hopes that PS3 won with actual sell through is just digging a deeper hole of sensitivity, proving that theres a little fanboy in all of us 


 I love how biased you are to Xbox 360. I just love it. (In a good way)

 

But I wouldnt put too much money on these "confirmed facts" because of the Q1 2012 report. Theres a possibility that MS overshipped. And IF they did, and I said IF....IF they did overship X360. 

 

YOU WILL BE REDICULED. 

 

Mark my words. <>_<>

Well thats due in mid april. So thats 2 and a half months of being unquestionably right :D

And im used to being ridiculed. My Youtube identity can attest to that. Trick is that as long as MS is profitable, 360 remains 2nd place, and I get my Halo/Gears/Forza fix.....nothing effects me!

So what, do you get rediculed over pointless trolling in youtube? When some one proves you wrong and you cant offer a rebuttal? 

Oh cmon I am full of rebuttals on this site! But I really can't be wrong if I am part of the winning team. On YT, your consoles lifetime sales number literally determines your relevancy in a debate (a tactic pioneered by PS2 fanboys of yesterday). But lets end this talk here. Not meant for a regulated forum such as here. 

I still love you though... <33333333333.. 8=======D~...Ohh baby... yes.. Yes... YESSSS

Wait thats a bit far.

I mean I love you as a friend.



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