nightsurge said:
thismeintiel said:
nightsurge said:
thismeintiel said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If Sony even remotely thought they had won they would have tooted their own horn. MS tooted theirs because they knew they had the numbers to back it up. The fact that Sony hasn't tried to claim winning numbers means MS was right. Everyone on the outside of the industry is just going by guesses and estimates based on polls and fuzzy tracking systems. MS knows what they've sold because they track it internally through their distributors and retailers, just like Sony does. If Sony had beat MS, they would have claimed it. MS claimed it and Sony didn't because they both know it's true. |
Ok, I guess 2 people still in denial. You do realize Ballmer said over 66 million sold? Was he right about that? Nope. Also, he said #1 in HW throughout the world, while taking about the 360 and Kinect. So it seems he was including Kinect in with their HW. Besides, Sony has won the past 2 years and to my knowledge have said jack all about it, so why would this year be any different? Then, of course, you have the other sales charts that have been released that don't back up a 360 victory. Look, even Seece conceded that if Sony doesn't report unexpectedly low numbers in their shipments, they truly won.
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How are we in denial? The numbers point to MS/360 being the winner here. Until Sony comes out with their shipment figures and we get some firm numbers on how many are actually on store shelves, it looks much more likely that the 360 won here.
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Your're in denial because all numbers we have so far point to Sony winning in actual sales, while it looks like MS may have won in shipments. Remember, though, there claim (and the countless threads on VGC) were about sales, not shipments.
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You mean our pre-adjustment numbers and other tracking firms that are based on estimates? Weren't you one of those types that claims nothing can be certain till we have shipment figures? Well we have Microsoft's and it's looking like they will pull out ahead. So really there is nothing about denial involved in this. Just merely waiting it out before you and others try to keep calling it a given Sony victory.
But I digress. We shall see come February 2, when Sony releases their last Q financials.
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The only thing that MS's numbers show is there were ~2 million 360's on shelves at the end of 2011. Which, according to VGC, is actually around average. So, I doubt we are going to see too many adjustments from here on out. And the ones that do come will be relatively small. Like I said, it looks like MS won the shipment war, but Sony won the sales war.
I also wouldn't try to belittle those tracking firms just because they don't agree with what you want. They get hard numbers from quite a few retailers and only estimate for a small percentage of the market they are tracking. This is why companies, like MS and Sony, even announce the numbers tracking firms give them. And why VGC adjusts their numbers to them.
