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happydolphin on 16 January 2012
theprof00 said:
z101 said:
theprof00 said:

The new genres that vita is going to be able to hit, (dual analog fps, for example) the most popular genre in the west, should boost sales accordingly.
Just look at GTA for an example. GTA is one of the highest selling games on western consoles, and it was proportionally the higher selling games on psp.
The hgihest selling franchise should equal best sales on vita in the west.


The 3DS will get GTA and other some Shooter too, but shooter aren't very popular on Handhelds.

The PSP got western games but the low hardware sales here results in low game sales and in the end no more western games. The vita will have even lower sales because of a big 3DS and smartphones/tablets.

shooters aren't possible on handhelds because the control style that people are used to on the consoles is not readily available on every handheld that's ever been out. Vita thankfully doesn't have that problem.

low hardware doesn't result in low game sales exactly. Not enough games results in low hardware. Again, thankfully the vita will not have this problem as every major western developer is behind it.

Previously these companies had nothing to put on the psp, thereby resulting in less sales for the console, and thereby less overall sales for other games. But Vita is capable of running these types of games that a lot of western devs make.

A console needs games to sell.

@bolded as much as I agree that all the previous bottlenecks to having high def games on a handheld are evaporated by the Vita, the fact remains that a small screen has rarely been a good fit for the fps genre. The future may prove some of us wrong though. In the mean time none of us can see in the future so it isn't a complete assumption.

Added: to your advantage the Vita has the dual-analog, a bounty for console fps'. But the uncertainty remains due to the insurmountable small screen, unless they later release an XL (which they should!!).



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curl-6 on 16 January 2012

I like it when game execs show respect for their competitors. It's an all too rare occurrence.



Zlejedi on 16 January 2012
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:


Hm, no. Sorry. The "implication" you're drawing isn't based on a logical train, it's a simple observation: no handheld console has ever lived or died based on Western support. PSP's library feels Western if you look at the top ten or twenty in any given Western territory, but that doesn't really give the whole picture either. Similarly, you're not going to get an accurate impression of the DS's software library movement from looking at the top 50 games.

I do want to point out that you claimed earlier in the topic that the Vita was receiving Western support, which the PSP apparently never got. I can only assume you have recanted that idea.

You have not presented anything indicating that " the amount of popularity in the west was proportional to the amount of popular western games". If anything, you've indicated exactly the opposite, obfuscated by handwaving away Nintendo games as being, well, Nintendo games.

And no, "It is primarily unsupported" is not a weak argument, it's a statement of fact. Western support - including franchises which already existed on the PSP - cannot reasonably be assumed to propel Vita above the PSP, which is the original statement I was replying to. That is the long and short of my statement - your assumptions have no concrete basis, and your argument does not either. Do not get so far off-track.

@makingmusic:

Lay off ma words or I'll flatten you.

It's not so mucha simple observation as it is a simplistic one. Please explain the first paragraph. How does one not get a good impression of what sells on a sytem given the top selling games in the territory?

I didn't mean so much that the psp never had western support,but that the western support was so minimal compared to what vita is receiving. Even in comparison to the home consoles, it never received a shred. Comparitively to both what the home consoles got, and what vita is receiving, psp didn't get supported by the west.

There are roughly 20m sales in each territory for psp. DS is 50m in NA and europe and 32 in japan. Obviously there is a problem in the west with psp. DS sales in comparison to Japan is roughly 56% higher in other territories. Looking at the top sellers for psp in western markets, the highest selling game is 2.56-2.66m. The highest in Japan is 4.66, a 75% difference. So interesting how a "successful handheld", like ds, should do 56% better in the west, and how the top selling DS game in Japans 6.3m vs PALs 10m vs  and Americas 8.3m, 63% and 75% respectively.

DS having consistently highesr sales of 50-60 percent in the west on both consoles and games, and psp's flatline of sales across regions means that there is a ratio of proportionality to population. This means that psp doesn't hit enough demographics in the west, likely due to a lack of popular genre titles.

The highest selling fps on ps3 is 5m, and the highest selling GTA is 3.6, a nearly 40% difference, which will continue to grow as BlOPs is still selling.

So, we have a system that should be performing roughly 50% better in the west, missing titles that deliver 40% better sales on consoles in the west than titles found on both platforms.

Actually i think you are overlooking a major factor- public transport and amount of time spent traveling there.

On one hand we have a Japan - best public transport on Earth , grown ups spending plenty of times in trains - which concidentially is PSP relatively strongest territory

On the other hand we have USA where main transport is done by car - so handhelds are bough to quiet children riding in the backseat - which comes out as weakest PSP region

PAL is somewhere in the middle and here PSP is much better shape then in USA.



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theprof00 on 16 January 2012
Zlejedi said:
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:


Hm, no. Sorry. The "implication" you're drawing isn't based on a logical train, it's a simple observation: no handheld console has ever lived or died based on Western support. PSP's library feels Western if you look at the top ten or twenty in any given Western territory, but that doesn't really give the whole picture either. Similarly, you're not going to get an accurate impression of the DS's software library movement from looking at the top 50 games.

I do want to point out that you claimed earlier in the topic that the Vita was receiving Western support, which the PSP apparently never got. I can only assume you have recanted that idea.

You have not presented anything indicating that " the amount of popularity in the west was proportional to the amount of popular western games". If anything, you've indicated exactly the opposite, obfuscated by handwaving away Nintendo games as being, well, Nintendo games.

And no, "It is primarily unsupported" is not a weak argument, it's a statement of fact. Western support - including franchises which already existed on the PSP - cannot reasonably be assumed to propel Vita above the PSP, which is the original statement I was replying to. That is the long and short of my statement - your assumptions have no concrete basis, and your argument does not either. Do not get so far off-track.

@makingmusic:

Lay off ma words or I'll flatten you.

It's not so mucha simple observation as it is a simplistic one. Please explain the first paragraph. How does one not get a good impression of what sells on a sytem given the top selling games in the territory?

I didn't mean so much that the psp never had western support,but that the western support was so minimal compared to what vita is receiving. Even in comparison to the home consoles, it never received a shred. Comparitively to both what the home consoles got, and what vita is receiving, psp didn't get supported by the west.

There are roughly 20m sales in each territory for psp. DS is 50m in NA and europe and 32 in japan. Obviously there is a problem in the west with psp. DS sales in comparison to Japan is roughly 56% higher in other territories. Looking at the top sellers for psp in western markets, the highest selling game is 2.56-2.66m. The highest in Japan is 4.66, a 75% difference. So interesting how a "successful handheld", like ds, should do 56% better in the west, and how the top selling DS game in Japans 6.3m vs PALs 10m vs  and Americas 8.3m, 63% and 75% respectively.

DS having consistently highesr sales of 50-60 percent in the west on both consoles and games, and psp's flatline of sales across regions means that there is a ratio of proportionality to population. This means that psp doesn't hit enough demographics in the west, likely due to a lack of popular genre titles.

The highest selling fps on ps3 is 5m, and the highest selling GTA is 3.6, a nearly 40% difference, which will continue to grow as BlOPs is still selling.

So, we have a system that should be performing roughly 50% better in the west, missing titles that deliver 40% better sales on consoles in the west than titles found on both platforms.

Actually i think you are overlooking a major factor- public transport and amount of time spent traveling there.

On one hand we have a Japan - best public transport on Earth , grown ups spending plenty of times in trains - which concidentially is PSP relatively strongest territory

On the other hand we have USA where main transport is done by car - so handhelds are bough to quiet children riding in the backseat - which comes out as weakest PSP region

PAL is somewhere in the middle and here PSP is much better shape then in USA.

every day, 1.2 million people ride the train in boston, with 600k people having a long commute (30 minutes to an hour). That's just boston.

The regular train and bus times are about half an hour plus wait times.

Most of the east coast has public transportation, as does the west coast...really all the most populous states having public transportation. Plus, quieting kids in the backseat doesn't account for early teens, mid teens, late teens doing the same thing, or the 20m sold in the states.

PS3 only just recently outsold psp sales in the USA, but of course will go on to sell a lot more.