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theprof00 said:
@judgement
Whenever you're blocking the screen with your finger, you're not maximizing your fps ability.
you simply dont have enough access to buttons.

Um you don’t touch the screen your FP view is in so no you’re not blocking anything

Just like you would play with a stick and press the buttons you can do that but here you touch the screen instead.

What buttons are missing from 3DS?



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

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Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:

Well, I know three people who want nothing more than mvc3 ultimate on the go. They've never owned handhelds. I know it's anecdotal, and shit, I could even be making this up as far as you know, but even CoD:MW sold a million on a handheld system that was nowhere near as designed to play an fps.

It also interacts with the ps3, can unlock additional wiiU like functions on ps3, play games on teh go that you already own, and will soon enough have a monster hunter, no doubt about it. Vita is going to be so much more important in the US than psp ever was.

No handheld is capable of delivering what the vita can. No Phone, no handheld, no tablet.


I can't tell if you're making a joke here or not, especially since you never answered the question of whether or not those titles will be enough to carve out a viable market for the Vita on their own. Your assertion that it will be "more important" than the PSP is both confusing and unsupported.

 

I didn't specifically say that I had no answer, but I did say that all i have is anecdotal evidence on top of knowing what the strengths of psp were, and just how much the vita outdoes it. What does 3ds have over ds? Really nothing except graphics. Vita has the graphics, the title capabilities, the new ways to interact, the cheap indie apps, all the games that psp has, and web browsing.

I don't know what kind of metric you want here. You want an analysis of the gaming marketplace or metaphysical theories? I dunno. I see what the psp did well and not so well, and the vita does both much better.

Most importantly, it's getting support. Maybe you just have no idea whatsoever about the psp? Understandable. It was never big in America. Why? Because Western devs didn't support it. It's not surprising you don't know anything about it, as you would immediately know that even just CoD is 100x more effort than western devs ever put into the psp. Period.

CoD isn't just a sinlge game. It's a foundation that is going to set the standard for the console. It may not have huge sales, but devs are looking at this right now saying vita is where it's at. CoD is on Vita, that's the system we want to be on, that's the mainstream system. Games are already in production, and are going to continue to be produced with much more vigor than was ever the case for psp.

But no, I don't have any bar graphs, or research. It's just simple logic. Western Devs didn't support psp. Western Devs are supporting vita. THat's really all that needs to be known about the situation.



Roma said:
theprof00 said:
@judgement
Whenever you're blocking the screen with your finger, you're not maximizing your fps ability.
you simply dont have enough access to buttons.

Um you don’t touch the screen your FP view is in so no you’re not blocking anything

Just like you would play with a stick and press the buttons you can do that but here you touch the screen instead.

What buttons are missing from 3DS?

Have you even seen the game?

It looks like worse than res evil 1.



theprof00 said:

 

I didn't specifically say that I had no answer, but I did say that all i have is anecdotal evidence on top of knowing what the strengths of psp were, and just how much the vita outdoes it. What does 3ds have over ds? Really nothing except graphics. Vita has the graphics, the title capabilities, the new ways to interact, the cheap indie apps, all the games that psp has, and web browsing.

I don't know what kind of metric you want here. You want an analysis of the gaming marketplace or metaphysical theories? I dunno. I see what the psp did well and not so well, and the vita does both much better.

Most importantly, it's getting support. Maybe you just have no idea whatsoever about the psp? Understandable. It was never big in America. Why? Because Western devs didn't support it. It's not surprising you don't know anything about it, as you would immediately know that even just CoD is 100x more effort than western devs ever put into the psp. Period.

CoD isn't just a sinlge game. It's a foundation that is going to set the standard for the console. It may not have huge sales, but devs are looking at this right now saying vita is where it's at. CoD is on Vita, that's the system we want to be on, that's the mainstream system. Games are already in production, and are going to continue to be produced with much more vigor than was ever the case for psp.

But no, I don't have any bar graphs, or research. It's just simple logic. Western Devs didn't support psp. Western Devs are supporting vita. THat's really all that needs to be known about the situation.


It's amazing how long you can go without answer a yes/no question.

Just to be clear: you are basing this discussion on a version of Call of Duty that is, at this point, vaporware. We have no idea how it will compare to the console versions, or even the DS/3DS versions. Claiming that this is indicative of a culture of wide-reaching support is fallacious to the point of self-deception.

Now answer the question in two words or less (elucidate thereafter if you feel the need):

Do you believe Call of Duty and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom will actually help Vita be more than the PSP was? Will they be enough?

Edit: Also the "PSP was never big in America because Western devs didn't support it" thing is not based on what we know of the handheld market; Western devs never supported the DS in a significant way eithe,r but the DS was huge in America. Western devs have never been a relevant force on handhelds outside of a very select few titles that have never affected the handhelds in a major way.



It's a shame that a positive thread like this ended up turning into a "system wars" argument. It didn't really help that the very first response was so negative.

That being said, Sony is correct in their statement. The problem is appealing to the general market. While games like Uncharted and fighting game crossovers are fantastic for gamers, they don't appeal to the mass market. Something like a LBP Vita game could provide some mass market appeal if it was heavily bundled, but I just don't believe a Mature rated shooter is the key to bringing new users to the Vita (whether it's Uncharted or Call of Duty). It'll be difficult for Sony to develop mass market "everyone" titles like Crash Bandicoot again but it's the key to reaching the greatest possible audience.



 

 

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theprof00 said:
Roma said:
theprof00 said:
@judgement
Whenever you're blocking the screen with your finger, you're not maximizing your fps ability.
you simply dont have enough access to buttons.

Um you don’t touch the screen your FP view is in so no you’re not blocking anything

Just like you would play with a stick and press the buttons you can do that but here you touch the screen instead.

What buttons are missing from 3DS?

Have you even seen the game?

It looks like worse than res evil 1.

what game do you mean?



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:

 

I didn't specifically say that I had no answer, but I did say that all i have is anecdotal evidence on top of knowing what the strengths of psp were, and just how much the vita outdoes it. What does 3ds have over ds? Really nothing except graphics. Vita has the graphics, the title capabilities, the new ways to interact, the cheap indie apps, all the games that psp has, and web browsing.

I don't know what kind of metric you want here. You want an analysis of the gaming marketplace or metaphysical theories? I dunno. I see what the psp did well and not so well, and the vita does both much better.

Most importantly, it's getting support. Maybe you just have no idea whatsoever about the psp? Understandable. It was never big in America. Why? Because Western devs didn't support it. It's not surprising you don't know anything about it, as you would immediately know that even just CoD is 100x more effort than western devs ever put into the psp. Period.

CoD isn't just a sinlge game. It's a foundation that is going to set the standard for the console. It may not have huge sales, but devs are looking at this right now saying vita is where it's at. CoD is on Vita, that's the system we want to be on, that's the mainstream system. Games are already in production, and are going to continue to be produced with much more vigor than was ever the case for psp.

But no, I don't have any bar graphs, or research. It's just simple logic. Western Devs didn't support psp. Western Devs are supporting vita. THat's really all that needs to be known about the situation.


It's amazing how long you can go without answer a yes/no question.

Just to be clear: you are basing this discussion on a version of Call of Duty that is, at this point, vaporware. We have no idea how it will compare to the console versions, or even the DS/3DS versions. Claiming that this is indicative of a culture of wide-reaching support is fallacious to the point of self-deception.

Now answer the question in two words or less (elucidate thereafter if you feel the need):

Do you believe Call of Duty and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom will actually help Vita be more than the PSP was? Will they be enough?

Edit: Also the "PSP was never big in America because Western devs didn't support it" thing is not based on what we know of the handheld market; Western devs never supported the DS in a significant way eithe,r but the DS was huge in America. Western devs have never been a relevant force on handhelds outside of a very select few titles that have never affected the handhelds in a major way.

1. I cannot answer your question in a way that would be honest to the discussing because you are intentionally boiling it down to 2 specific instances, which was not my point. I stated before that it was a foundation. To answer your incredibly cherry picked scenario, yes, then no. Yes, MVC and CoD will very much help the vita exceed the psp. No, two games are not enough to make a console.

 

Look, I understand that you're "attempting" to take the "safe" route. However, the arguments you've posed (ie; the failsafes) say both that western gaming perhaps doesn't have a place on a handheld, and that a system that is meant to be a virtually portable version of the ps3 itself, is not going to have a near ps3 level version of the same franchise's titular game.

Sorry, but your assumptions fall very much far from the inherent logic behind it. But hey, it may turn out you are right in the end. I'm not going to say that I'm completely right, but this is simply both a logical conclusion and a boistrous outpouring of excitement. Do you also think MvC is going to be different?

In the end, your "safe" arguments really only come off as arguing without having an argument, which is - disturbing.

I argue because I can see the possibility. You argue because you're unclear if western games will work on a console? Or was it that a game called call of duty might not be call of duty at all?

EDIT: You also didn't aska yes/no question.



Roma said:
theprof00 said:
Roma said:
theprof00 said:
@judgement
Whenever you're blocking the screen with your finger, you're not maximizing your fps ability.
you simply dont have enough access to buttons.

Um you don’t touch the screen your FP view is in so no you’re not blocking anything

Just like you would play with a stick and press the buttons you can do that but here you touch the screen instead.

What buttons are missing from 3DS?

Have you even seen the game?

It looks like worse than res evil 1.

what game do you mean?

modern warfare : DS



MontanaHatchet said:
It's a shame that a positive thread like this ended up turning into a "system wars" argument. It didn't really help that the very first response was so negative.

That being said, Sony is correct in their statement. The problem is appealing to the general market. While games like Uncharted and fighting game crossovers are fantastic for gamers, they don't appeal to the mass market. Something like a LBP Vita game could provide some mass market appeal if it was heavily bundled, but I just don't believe a Mature rated shooter is the key to bringing new users to the Vita (whether it's Uncharted or Call of Duty). It'll be difficult for Sony to develop mass market "everyone" titles like Crash Bandicoot again but it's the key to reaching the greatest possible audience.

That's always been Sony's weakness. However, PSP also never had any games like that and it did fine. Support for this system seems much better than for psp in general, and I believe there is a lbp in dev for it.



theprof00 said:
Roma said:
theprof00 said:
Roma said:
theprof00 said:
@judgement
Whenever you're blocking the screen with your finger, you're not maximizing your fps ability.
you simply dont have enough access to buttons.

Um you don’t touch the screen your FP view is in so no you’re not blocking anything

Just like you would play with a stick and press the buttons you can do that but here you touch the screen instead.

What buttons are missing from 3DS?

Have you even seen the game?

It looks like worse than res evil 1.

what game do you mean?

modern warfare : DS

Ok so that affects the 3DS how?



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(