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Coca-Cola on 10 January 2012

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115141-Xbox-360-Reaches-66-Million-Sold
This article seem to suggest that it's 66m sold to consumers. That would be awesome.
in perspective, "The PS2, the best-selling console to date, has sold 155.8 million units since its release in 2000. The original PlayStation has sold 102.49 million, and the Wii has sold 89.36 million. The PS3 currently stands at 55.5 million sold."

What? Ps3 currently stands at 55.5m sold?  We are way off!!! Adjustments please!!!???       JK



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think-man on 10 January 2012

Well actually the ps3 won 2011.



 

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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 10 January 2012
think-man said:
Well actually the ps3 won 2011.


Thats not what MS said at CES..

 

So im afraid not.



Yay!!!

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 11 January 2012

Ive searched around the net. I saw many and I mean MANY professional and well-reputed website say SOLD instead of shipments...

Just saying..



Yay!!!

JimmyDanger on 11 January 2012

NPD in what - 24 hours?

This is going to blow right up.



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Xenostar on 11 January 2012

Sony have said they sold 3.9M PS3 from 21st nov till the 5th of january, dunno if that helps peoples calculations

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-10-sony-sold-half-a-million-playstation-2s-this-christmas



ZaneWane on 11 January 2012
kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
It's not true. If it was they would have made a big deal about it by now.
PS3 is the best selling console and we have the data to prove it.


lol... er , Im sorry... what?

i know right



Reasonable on 11 January 2012
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
makingmusic476 said:

Given Microsoft's shipped numbers, and the usual struggle to maintain stock during the holidays, it's likely we have undertracked the 360 at least somewhat, and it wouldn't be very hard at all to erase the rather small gap we have between it and the ps3, putting 360 in first for the year. So I'd say they're probably right, if not definitely right depending on what information they have.

But I do wonder what information they're basing this on. They'd definitely know their own shipment figures and would at least have a rough estimate of sell through based on that, but how do they determine Sony and Nintendo's figures? Especially given the lack of tracking in areas like Southeast Asia, where a company like Sony has a relatively strong presence?

Is it just shipped vs shipped? Sell through vs sell through? Is "worldwide" just a compilation of worldwide trackers, like NPD, Media-create, and Chart-track?

I wish we could know more about these companies' internal methodology, but that'll probably never be the case. =(

TBH the only element I'm not sure on it whether MS would know this quickly what PS3/Wii has sold to consumers.  Shipments are a matter of public record, and they would also be able to get a decent idea of latest shipments too - but sold would be harder, particularly for PS3.  That would mean either having info they probably shouldn't (which I doubt they'd make public statements on) or somehow getting retailers sellling PS3 but not 360 to let them know sales (which seems very iff).

I suspect they're comparing their sold vs a good knowledge of Sony shipped and factoring in an estimate for inventory in supply have decided they have to be ahead for the year.

Shipped being a matter of public record isnt a matter of public record until its a matter of public record.....you cant guess shipments and make statemnts like this

Nobody has published their shipped numbers yet for the last 3 months of 2011, yet MS likely know their own NPD numbers already... possibly others too.

I'm sure sony or Ninty will refute soon enough if it isnt correct.

I'm saying MS will know public shipments and shoudl be able to estimate what they believe Sony will have shipped but not released based on their sources.  That gives them a view on which to base their statements.  Ballmer almost certainly couldn't have been speaking knowing 100% Sony's position vs MS.  He would know MS and an internal estimate of Sony's position.  That's my point.

TBH MS/Ballmer could say MS was number 1 even if - hypothetically - Sony sold slightly more.  So long as the final result is very close MS would know Sony would have no position to refute it sensibly.  Most likely MS/Ballmer were fairly sure their internal tracking of Sony vs their sales gave them enough confidence in their position.

Sales/Inventory always flexes a bit an all numbers in statements like this are approximations.  Only financial records have to be as exact as possible and even they will get low level small adjustments over time.  That's always the way with physical inventory.



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welshbloke on 11 January 2012
Reasonable said:

I'm saying MS will know public shipments and shoudl be able to estimate what they believe Sony will have shipped but not released based on their sources.  That gives them a view on which to base their statements.  Ballmer almost certainly couldn't have been speaking knowing 100% Sony's position vs MS.  He would know MS and an internal estimate of Sony's position.  That's my point.

TBH MS/Ballmer could say MS was number 1 even if - hypothetically - Sony sold slightly more.  So long as the final result is very close MS would know Sony would have no position to refute it sensibly.  Most likely MS/Ballmer were fairly sure their internal tracking of Sony vs their sales gave them enough confidence in their position.

Sales/Inventory always flexes a bit an all numbers in statements like this are approximations.  Only financial records have to be as exact as possible and even they will get low level small adjustments over time.  That's always the way with physical inventory.

I am sure this is the case and if we are to believe IGN Microsoft even corrected them which indicates a level of confidence. Plus when you factor in Sony has not made any challenge at least so far, that would probably point to either the numbers being close or they were soundly beaten.



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makingmusic476 on 11 January 2012

An exact shipment figure from Microsoft would help put all this to rest. 66 million vs something like 66.8 million makes a somewhat significant difference, but I think even a flat 66 million would put them at a higher shipment figure for the calendar year?

In the grand scheme of things, shipped eventually equals sold anyway, barring total failures like E.T. and the Virtual Boy.

The shipped vs sold disparity only really tells us about each company's short-term momentum, but that's pretty obvious to everyone at this point, and it can be determined well enough with VGChartz's figures.