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So when I lie it's good ::shrug:: so be it

Glad you got Baal posting again, though. I'm not believing his "mistake" about the vigilante role, given he put a non-compulsive two-shot vig in his own game. The fear feels forced as well.



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Baalzamon said:
Linkzmax said:

Why are you assuming Spurge had to target anyone at all? Most vigilantes aren't forced to kill.

What makes you think he's mafia rather than a vig?

If he is vig, don't you think it'd be better to coach him into using any shots he has on shadier players? Lynching him to remove the threat of an additional town night kill is simply a terrible idea. You're giving up the chance of lynching scum during the day instead.

I think you're really just scared of being shot by Spurge, which would be a nulltell given nobody really wants to die. Except that it means you're more inclined to believe the claim, which scum is far more likely to do.

Sorry for not posting at all in the last day, I was out of town.

1.) My assumptions were based on not thinking everything through.  I have noticed over time when I try to analyze somebody or something in this game, I tend to make mistakes.  Whether it be forgetting something that could have potentially happened, or not understanding properly what somebody was saying, it seems to happen quite frequently.  I don't know if I just suck at this process, or if I just try to do it too fast (although we don't have too terribly much time in this particular game).

It is something I need to work on, or else my big large posts are flawed, and more or less worthless.

2.) The entire time I was writing that paragraph, it was under the false thought that he needed to target somebody every single night.  It sounds like a really stupid mistake to make, but to be plain and simple, I have had much less time than normal during this game, and simply haven't been writing down notes and analyzing stuff as I should be.  I need to be making sure to do this, because stupid mistakes really aren't something we can live with in a game like this.

3.) If for 100% certainty he is a vigilante, thinking it through, it probably would be better to coach him, rather than lynch a sure townie, but the thing is, we don't know that he is.  We have somebody who more or less told us, "If I'm watched, I might just happen to be the person who targeted the one who died overnight."  It is something that could be a complete coverup to make us think it is a vigilante killing certain people.  If he is indeed the Vigilante, and being the one who self admitted it, I sincerely hope he is willing to inform us whether or not the death each night was due to him (otherwise we analyze things assuming it was a mafia (or other source, which is doubtful) kill)

I really don't think something such as this is a strategy that Spurge would employ this early in his mafia career though.  It is extremely risky, and to be quite honest, I'm not certain it is even a good idea.

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No offense to Spurge, but him having the ability to kill at night freaks the hell out of me.  While death is imminent for (generally speaking) a majority of the people in each game, the last thing I want to die for is because of a misguided random nightkill by a vigilante.  Being mislynched, killed by mafia, or a serial killer are all something that I can live with.  Even though I want to remain alive in a game, those kinds of things happen.

But in the previous game, although it was his first, he was putting out some of the most random votes and accusations I think I have ever seen (although I should be the last to talk when I myself am voting based off of incomplete thought processes).

Maybe it is something scum would be more prone to be afraid of, but the plain and simple truth is it scares me.

1) You do not get to be all arrogant like you were day one last game and then play the pity card here.

2) You've used a vig in your own game, thus you already know how the role generally operates. Nobody would instinctively jump to the conclusion of a compulsive vig.

3) Nobody else is a vig, or Spurge would be dead.(certainly true now that everyone else has posted) This does not confirm him of being a vig though. Even a second kill at night won't confirm him completely as town given prof's belief that an SK shouldn't be forced to kill every night; however, prof also preaches balances so he'd have a counter if that were the case.(Spurge would scan guilty or we'd have a town bulletproof for example)

You talk about fear of recklessness after Spurge said "Well I just don't want to make a mistake like last game and do anything beyond stupid again." meaning if he's telling the truth he's going to be very cautious.

Lastly, it's very telling when you point out that scum would be afraid of it and then insist on your honesty.



Linkzmax said:
So when I lie it's good ::shrug:: so be it

Glad you got Baal posting again, though. I'm not believing his "mistake" about the vigilante role, given he put a non-compulsive two-shot vig in his own game. The fear feels forced as well.


Yes, because lying albeit generally wrong and frowned upon when exposed, is a necessity to survive sometimes.

You're taking my advice, and you're surviving. I'm not going to crucify you for something I encouraged.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Linkzmax said:

1) You do not get to be all arrogant like you were day one last game and then play the pity card here.

2) You've used a vig in your own game, thus you already know how the role generally operates. Nobody would instinctively jump to the conclusion of a compulsive vig.

3) Nobody else is a vig, or Spurge would be dead.(certainly true now that everyone else has posted) This does not confirm him of being a vig though. Even a second kill at night won't confirm him completely as town given prof's belief that an SK shouldn't be forced to kill every night; however, prof also preaches balances so he'd have a counter if that were the case.(Spurge would scan guilty or we'd have a town bulletproof for example)

You talk about fear of recklessness after Spurge said "Well I just don't want to make a mistake like last game and do anything beyond stupid again." meaning if he's telling the truth he's going to be very cautious.

Lastly, it's very telling when you point out that scum would be afraid of it and then insist on your honesty.

Oh believe that which you must, my whole analysis was done on the thought process he needed to target every night.  I know perfectly well how a vigilante operates, and as was stated, had one in my own game.  But the plain and simple truth is that I have not written a single thing from this game down, and it has led to faulty conclusions on my behalf.

I'm not saying my bullshit conclusions shouldn't be looked at, because what I posted is what I posted, and that cannot be changed.  I'm just telling you now, there is a reason why the conclusions are full of shit.

Also, he didn't say he was going to be very cautious.  He said he wasn't going to do anything beyond stupid.  A very cautious vigilante would just not kill anybody throughout the entire game, and therefore not make any mistakes with their kills.  To target those who are legitimate concerns towards the town, however, would not be beyond stupid even if they wind up as town power roles (I'm not saying it would be a good thing for him to wind up killing a town power role, I'm saying risks need to be taken as a vigilante, and I wouldn't consider his decision beyond stupid if his target was legitimately scummy).

Also, I never insisted on my honesty.  I repeated what you mentioned, and said whether or not scum would be more inclined to have that feeling about a vigilante, the plain and simple truth is that I too have that feeling.  More or less, I am telling you I don't care whether the feeling I have is scummy, but it is how I feel.  I'm just having a hard time grasping how this is insisting honesty, when it is doing nothing of the sort.

Finally, I know you dislike the way I play day 1 in this game, but I have given my reasoning for this on multiple occasions, and there is no way in hell it doesn't make at least a little sense to you why I think in that way.



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Baalzamon said:

Also, I never insisted on my honesty.  I repeated what you mentioned, and said whether or not scum would be more inclined to have that feeling about a vigilante, the plain and simple truth is that I too have that feeling.  More or less, I am telling you I don't care whether the feeling I have is scummy, but it is how I feel.  I'm just having a hard time grasping how this is insisting honesty, when it is doing nothing of the sort.

Finally, I know you dislike the way I play day 1 in this game, but I have given my reasoning for this on multiple occasions, and there is no way in hell it doesn't make at least a little sense to you why I think in that way.

Still don't believe you would jump to the conclusion that he HAD to kill, regardless of time restraints or lack of notes.

Bolded is insisting on your honesty.

I dislike how most play day one. Even those that are active content wise are generally too cautious about lynching for my tastes. I can deal with that. It was the arrogant tone and putting everyone down for actually trying to play Mafia that bothered me. People are going to make mistakes/be wrong with so little to go on, but that's the game. Now you're all "woe is me. I made a mistake, but don't be cruel to me okay"

I'd be okay with your lynch as well today, but I do think my case on Wonk is stronger and there's already support there to help keep it from being derailed.
Vote: Wonktonodi



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Do we have anything on Wonk other than the fact of the 3rd investigative role claim?



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Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
I do hope our cop isn't one of the lurkers

I realize the answer is fairly obvious, but please explain further.

 

The answer being fairly obvious merits little explination but since I have little else to post.

We just lost an investigative role who probably never even used his role. So a waste and not helpful to town. I hoped something like this wouldn't happen with the cop. I still hope that. There have been 3 nights to investigate now, he should have something for us to go on. IF he is lurking or nor even participating then it's a waste of a role and hurting the town.

With the role I have I know there is a cop out there. Thats why I could say that with confidence and not wonder if we even have one.

1. I really hate how you're using future information to explain earlier stuff. Fortunately for me and not so much for you, your answer actually contradicts your original statement AND completely missed the obvious.

2. "Lurkers" by nature of the term are reading the thread and still "participating" in the game, just not posting. A lurker is likely to survive longer at night and therefore have more investigations to share when finally claiming. Here's what you missed as being obvious: A normal townie might fear a lurker cop, because with the short days they may not be able to actually claim before being lynched. A normal deputy wouldn't want the cop to die, but shouldn't really fear it either since the power is passed along. But you're even more extreme, as you think the cop isn't even making investigations. 3. Since you seem to think it's so important(and it is, but in the grand scheme of Mafia it isn't really) why wouldn't you try to prevent the power from continuing to be wasted? 4. You should have pushed for a lurker lynch and maybe even urged Spurge(heh) to shoot one of them in order to take it by force. The latter is true whether you would believe the vig claim or not as it's also a means to help prove it finally.

5. It's laughable that you think the cop would outlive you after you claimed, without any real provocation might I add, btw.

6. Furthermore, any cop worth his salt should have investigated you last night. So that if he were to die he could leave town knowing if they could trust your claims or not. I believe it'd be redundant at this point for the cop to claim a guilty scan on you, but in the event I'm wrong they should save you from the gallows.

1. So should I not use the example of what just happend to help explain since the example is now there. If you are trying to go back to my point with MDJ yesterday. When you ask why MDJ I gave you reasons why you should vote him that were current that you are trying to twist into a contradiction.

2. That is also a good reason to not want the cop to be lurking.

3. In this game with such short days and low participation the cop is probably more important than players reads on people. We as a town are doing terrible and so many have said so little it's hard to get readds.

4. I voted for MDJ yesterday, I am not one to really try and tell the Vig what to do although at this point I'm thinking he should shoot you.

5. 2 of the last 3 games I have been MVP so I should be a target to scum as it is :P. Not only that though, as you pointed out I would have been the best choice for the cop to investigate last night so they could have taken out someone who would be cleared. If instead they were trying for the cop if the cop wre to have done his job and cleared me, then the cop would likely get the docs protection and I would likely get the night kill. Or there was also the possibibilty people would get all meta and thinking the role shouldn't be in the game and lynch me. Glad you had a laugh though :)

6. If you are cop and so sure I am scum that you didn't bother to investigate and just plan on letting me die. Good job boss you'll have killed your deputy.



hatmoza said:
After a quick read over the game, I'm noticing things I did not notice before -things I will not mention.

All I'm going to say is either Noctis or Baalz hangs today.


Why me though?  but I really don't mind you voting for me and your read is completely off. LOLOLOL . That's all.

Anyway, Linkz my logic is a failure? I think I really hit the spot. If he is in the state of urgency if he is really a town that is, why he is not pushing for a lynch or making a move on whoever he thinks is/are the mafia? He even pointed out how important to lynch someone. Quite frankly He is acting the way he is acting when he was a mafia. He is making himself look like a townie, I mean too much. He is scared that any post he makes will make him look like a scum. BTW  Linkz why are you so protective of Radish?? I really don't like you or other person answering for him. I also don't like you pointing out that he made a bad post. It's like you are trying to coach him or something and every time Radish names comes out and someone accused him of being scum you quickly defend him. Makes me think two are scum.

HoS Linkz

@ Radish

I am still waiting for an answer. I don't like Linkz answering for you.

VOTE: RADISH

I am not done yet.

@ Spurge

Are you really a Vig? I think we might needed it now because there are 9 players here left. If the mafia are 3 or 4 then we might lose after this day or the next day. Unless there are other factions in here. Who do you thinks are the scums BTW?



Now thinking this through I should Role claim now if Wonk is telling the truth and also if a mafia will be lynch or killed. I will be following him as well.
I am cop with a mafia sibling.
Night 1 I investigated Hat is townie
Linkz and baalz are not so with Linkz trying to defend Rad maybe a mafia aswell.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Now thinking this through I should Role claim now if Wonk is telling the truth and also if a mafia will be lynch or killed. I will be following him as well.
I am cop with a mafia sibling.
Night 1 I investigated Hat is townie
Linkz and baalz are not so with Linkz trying to defend Rad maybe a mafia aswell.


so who is your sibling?