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scat398 said:
The good news is it looks like Ron Paul will win Iowa, but the bad news is every media outlet has allready started the "Iowa doesn't count now" segments. We knew this would happen so it's not unexpected. I personally like the recent polling data showing Romney and Paul at the same percentage in a heads up race with Obama 50% - 45% but they only mention Romney when talking about the poll and then they mention Gingrich sitting at 42%. It's almost awkward to watch the anchorman talk and try not to mention Ron Paul.


Under normal circumstances, an Iowa win for Ron Paul would have been a massive bonus. Unfortunately, due to Paul's unique situations he's going to have achieve a strong second in New Hampshire, too, to get the early state effect. Fortunately, recent polling numbers are showing that this could also become a reality. What next, nominations don't matter?



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I'm voting and donating to ron paul.

I changed my party in AZ just so I could vote in the republican primary as did my wife and anyone else I could ask.



superchunk said:
I'm voting and donating to ron paul.

I changed my party in AZ just so I could vote in the republican primary as did my wife and anyone else I could ask.


Great stuff mate!



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superchunk said:
I'm voting and donating to ron paul.

I changed my party in AZ just so I could vote in the republican primary as did my wife and anyone else I could ask.

That's the way to do it.

I change my policital party based on the preisdential incumbent election.

The only reason I'm not a registered democrat right now is that i was sick on voting day.

Not that it would of mattered.  It retrospect though, I think the economy is in a better place with Hillary as President.

Obama's main problem was his inability to corral the far left ending up with Nancy Pelosi highjacking he first couple years of his presidency and running it straight into the ground.

Granted "Obamacare" would of still happened.  Since it really is Hilary Clinton's plan, that Obama blasted in the primaries... obama being against the individual mandate back then.

Couple with more pro buisness growth strategies at the time though, and i think it goes through much better.

There is a lot of "pro buisness" stuff you can do that doesn't cost a time.



Machiavellian said:
One of the biggest problem with Ron Paul is that he will get nothing done. He would be in the same position as Obama but instead of having the backing of his party like Obama he would have the backing of none. An effective President is not an idealist because all go in thinking they can change the world, instead it's the President that can make deals and still keep his integrity.

Ron has all of these radical ideals he is going to do but guess what, without the support of democrats and republicans and a population that probably isn't all that keen on all of his ideals, he would be totally useless. If he is not willing to play politics then he will definitely do nothing feeling helpless as neither party is willing to play ball with him.

This is a hard lesson that Obama has learned in his first term. Depending on how the elections go, if republicans gain more seats and Obama wins then things still might look up for Obama because it would be his last term. You can forget about Ron Paul because his base is just not large enough to make any real moves. Mitt probably is the best choice because he would be able to gather his base but even then does he have what it takes to make the deals to push his agenda.

We like to think a president has all this power to do what they say on the campaign but in reality it takes a concerted effort and a president who know s how to make deals that get things done unless he has the majority party in both the senate and house. Even then the President must make deals with his base and that can get tricky sometimes as well.

Great post. Ron Paul is too honest and has a good heart. There's not many such people in politics. He wouldn't get enough support from his fellow Republicans to achieve real change.

It's such a pitty that all politicians are intellectually corrupt in nature and more or less psychopaths.



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I thought the CNN gloria berger interview was rather telling of how poorly the media treats Ron Paul. Not only did he answer the question regarding racists pamphlets sent out in his name two times, "I didn't read them, and I disavow them." but she continued to press the interview by not asking questions and just making random statements like "you earned 1 million dollars from the literature" and "these remarks are pretty inflamatory". I'm sorry Gloria was there a question in there? you are CNN's lead politics reporter try and atleast act like you weren't there for a hit job. Good for Ron to walk away, I would have punched her in the face.



Nik24 said:

Not really as he is an isolationist (by definition), is against the government (which is the only institution which can actually guarantee or enforce human rights, see Human Rights Act which Paul is against), wants to cut all foreign aid and certainly is no fan of international organizations, treaties or trade agreements (see UN, NAFTA).


I would argue it is better to be an isolationist than a warmongerer. As much as I would like him to be (I identify myself as an anarcho-capitalist) Ron Paul is not "against" government. Based on his writings, debates, and speeches he is clearly a minarchist (in favor of a small and restrained government). How can he be anti gov when every other sentence that comes out of the guy references the Constitution. Paul is radical by today's standards, but it is hyperbole to say he is in any way "against" government. Paul is against corpratism as well as government interference in economic matters, foreign affairs that do not directly involve the US, and restrictions on personal freedoms like drug use, abortion, and freedom of religion.

Like I said, I could only wish there was a politician that was truly "against" the things you mentioned because, despite your loyalty, all governments (not just US) do not exactly have a great track record for protecting individual rights, promoting economic activity (US only worked early on precisely because it was smaller than any other government previously established), or increasing overall quality of life (to pick on Civil RIghts Act and ect which you mentioned before, the economic disparity between whites and blacks in the US was decreasing prior to the establishment of this act as well as the Great Society programs which reveresed that trend).

You have to admit that even though you and I clearly have problems with Ron Paul (for very different reasons), he is easily the best and most sincere republican political candidate for the office of president of our time. At the very least, as a Republican he has the most potential to gain support from democratic voters. Libertarianism (of which I am a full supporter) is not nearly as polarizing as the dems or repubs precisely because it takes the best aspects of both sides (limited or no government from conservatives, and a high amount of personal freedom from liberals).



MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.



Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

It will all depend on how independents respond to him (people that voted for Obama and now realize he isn't really that different than the other candidates).  If those people decide Paul is their guy now media won't be able to drive his numbers down (they just won't grow).  My biggest concern is how quickly the Neo-Cons are rallying to Romney, they maybe able to destroy any chance RP has of having a good New Hampshire showing (I think it's fair to Say Paul is going to win big in Iowa).  Pesonally I would enjoy a Romney vs Paul race for republicans because it will really show the differnce between a status quo Neo-Con and those of us in the Republican party who want our party to focus more on states rights and independent responsibility.



Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.


i saw when he did that...i think it will help him.  most people seem to think cnn was in the wrong from what ive seen of the reaction.



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