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richardhutnik on 26 December 2011
snakenobi said:

So i have been following the US republican presidential nomination hopeful's debates and other interviews.They again and again bring the religion topic in it.

Now i know the basic laws alot of which are same in all religions and are based on logic,reasoning and philosophy.So i am able to understand why they are in place

What i am trying to find out is the stories and rules of abhramic religions which is the topic of debate alot of which donot follow logic and reasoning.

I am not asking whether they are right or wrong as religion opinions don't matter to me.Now i have tried to find out and reach the root of Abrahamic religion but there is just a lot of and i mean alot to read.

if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman and then they populated the earth,wouldn't all people there after be the same but this isn't agreed upon as they say they created 3 or 4 different races - The african race,the Causcoid race and the mongloid race and then created GOD's chosen children aka Hebrews.

is that what the religion says,mostly Christian-judea side of it which is the part of debate in US.

So help me out here a bit.But please keep opinions out.

This website is a horrible place to try to get answers for what you seek. You are asking people who are drawn to videogames to give you info on these.  Maybe if you have a subversive goal of undermining the faith of others by posting such questions on here, it makes some sense.  But, if your goal is to get answers, you are pretty much wasting your time here.

Best thing to do is go elsewhere, and try to get answers, and focus back on videogames.



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richardhutnik on 26 December 2011
snakenobi said:
Player1x3 said:
snakenobi said:
Mr Khan said:
Abrahamic cosmology is not as important to understanding the motives of Christianity and Islam, though it has a little importance in regards to Judaism. The purpose of the Jewish faith in its initial conception was to serve as a unique rallying point for the tribe, which is why Judaism has no directives for converting non-Jews (and the Talmud seems to discourage it)

It is primarily a tribal religion, but one of the only tribal religions that has survived in the developed world (aside from Shinto), so its worldview is more distinctly narrow even than the other Abrahamic faiths.


cosmology and philosophy are the most important parts of the religion

i have a hard time understanding abrahamic religions because of these important things not available anywhere and wherever i see an explaination its based on blind faith

 

Morality is the most important part of any religion


people only follow the morality guidelines if religion tells them where they come from or where they will go if they follow a moral guideline

taken heaven and hell out of it and people start thinking themselves

And who are you to tell people to take heaven and hell out of their thinking?  And what exactly do you bring to the table that would have anyone want to reason through your perceptions and biases?  You have your own presumptions of what you want that if you had your druthers, would impose upon other people, as about almost everyone else does.  Look at your language and thoughts and you will maybe see what these are.

Thinking for myself, I reach a conclusion you have a simplistic view of religious beliefs that doesn't accurately account for things, and is borderline insulting, if not fully insulting.  Apparently my thinking for myself fails to reach a common ground needed to be able to concur, and reduces everying to irrelevant subjectivity that ends up going down a sophist path of tricky arguments and appeals to base desire and vanity that doesn't do anything to make anyone better.



Kasz216 on 26 December 2011
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
Watching the Israel/Palestine conflict is kind of like watching a violent drunk take a swing at the police, get thumped handily, and then see the drunk’s family and friends blame the police for the altercation ...

If Palestine abandoned violence and terrorism, and accepted Israel's "right to exist", an equitable two state solution could be found tomorrow and everyone could live in peaceful harmony. While Israel is known for disproportionate retaliations, they are retaliations and when they stop being provoked by the Palestinians they will stop as well.


Of course, many supporters of the Palestinians will never support anything that calls for the Palestinians to act in a civilized way when there is a "final solution" to the Israel-Palestine conflict that they really support

The violence of Hamas is also an internal question of the internal struggles within the Palestinian polity. The Palestinian Authority needs to work to integrate Hamas into their structure, and i imagine much of the actual organized rocket attacks would stop. I mean, there will always be extremists that cannot be controlled even by their own people, but i imagine the bulk of Hamas can be reigned in, but their violence is largely an effort to draw support for their position more than pointless actions of hate. They are deliberately spoiling peace prospects because they know peace will lead to an utter loss of popular support on their part. A proper unity government needs to be built, Israel needs to kick out the illegal settlers altogether and stop the construction of more legal settlements, then things can begin working.


Me, I'd go the opposite route.  The West Bank and Gaza aren't even connected, one territory voted for Hamas the other the PA.

So why wouldn't the PA just negotiate a solution between Just Israel and the West bank, leaving the Gaza issue "open", build up the west bank and make it even more prosperous compaired to Gaza until gaza turns on Hamas and elects PLO representatives.

Then Israel, and an already realized Palestine state could negotiate more equally on the remainder of the territory.



Mr Khan on 26 December 2011
richardhutnik said:
snakenobi said:

So i have been following the US republican presidential nomination hopeful's debates and other interviews.They again and again bring the religion topic in it.

Now i know the basic laws alot of which are same in all religions and are based on logic,reasoning and philosophy.So i am able to understand why they are in place

What i am trying to find out is the stories and rules of abhramic religions which is the topic of debate alot of which donot follow logic and reasoning.

I am not asking whether they are right or wrong as religion opinions don't matter to me.Now i have tried to find out and reach the root of Abrahamic religion but there is just a lot of and i mean alot to read.

if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman and then they populated the earth,wouldn't all people there after be the same but this isn't agreed upon as they say they created 3 or 4 different races - The african race,the Causcoid race and the mongloid race and then created GOD's chosen children aka Hebrews.

is that what the religion says,mostly Christian-judea side of it which is the part of debate in US.

So help me out here a bit.But please keep opinions out.

This website is a horrible place to try to get answers for what you seek. You are asking people who are drawn to videogames to give you info on these.  Maybe if you have a subversive goal of undermining the faith of others by posting such questions on here, it makes some sense.  But, if your goal is to get answers, you are pretty much wasting your time here.

Best thing to do is go elsewhere, and try to get answers, and focus back on videogames.

Now i'd say this site is, for some reason, a good place to have these questions answered, or at least to have political debates, we get a lot of perspectives not only from within certain countries, but international perspectives as well, and have some damn knowledgeable people from all kinds of different fields



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Kasz216 on 26 December 2011
snakenobi said:
Player1x3 said:
snakenobi said:
Mr Khan said:
Abrahamic cosmology is not as important to understanding the motives of Christianity and Islam, though it has a little importance in regards to Judaism. The purpose of the Jewish faith in its initial conception was to serve as a unique rallying point for the tribe, which is why Judaism has no directives for converting non-Jews (and the Talmud seems to discourage it)

It is primarily a tribal religion, but one of the only tribal religions that has survived in the developed world (aside from Shinto), so its worldview is more distinctly narrow even than the other Abrahamic faiths.


cosmology and philosophy are the most important parts of the religion

i have a hard time understanding abrahamic religions because of these important things not available anywhere and wherever i see an explaination its based on blind faith

 

Morality is the most important part of any religion


people only follow the morality guidelines if religion tells them where they come from or where they will go if they follow a moral guideline

taken heaven and hell out of it and people start thinking themselves

The social contract would disagree with you... and in general, well society.

Plenty of atheists follow normal moral codes... and plenty of religious people have a hell of a time following their own religions moral codes.

Society in general needs a unified moral code to exist properly.  Otherwise a Social Contract could never really be achieved.



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snakenobi on 26 December 2011
richardhutnik said:
snakenobi said:

So i have been following the US republican presidential nomination hopeful's debates and other interviews.They again and again bring the religion topic in it.

Now i know the basic laws alot of which are same in all religions and are based on logic,reasoning and philosophy.So i am able to understand why they are in place

What i am trying to find out is the stories and rules of abhramic religions which is the topic of debate alot of which donot follow logic and reasoning.

I am not asking whether they are right or wrong as religion opinions don't matter to me.Now i have tried to find out and reach the root of Abrahamic religion but there is just a lot of and i mean alot to read.

if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman and then they populated the earth,wouldn't all people there after be the same but this isn't agreed upon as they say they created 3 or 4 different races - The african race,the Causcoid race and the mongloid race and then created GOD's chosen children aka Hebrews.

is that what the religion says,mostly Christian-judea side of it which is the part of debate in US.

So help me out here a bit.But please keep opinions out.

This website is a horrible place to try to get answers for what you seek. You are asking people who are drawn to videogames to give you info on these.  Maybe if you have a subversive goal of undermining the faith of others by posting such questions on here, it makes some sense.  But, if your goal is to get answers, you are pretty much wasting your time here.

Best thing to do is go elsewhere, and try to get answers, and focus back on videogames.


i know,i just wanted a base answer.I do not take posts here as complete truth.

I do compare them with other research



snakenobi on 26 December 2011
Kasz216 said:
snakenobi said:


people only follow the morality guidelines if religion tells them where they come from or where they will go if they follow a moral guideline

taken heaven and hell out of it and people start thinking themselves

The social contract would disagree with you... and in general, well society.

Plenty of atheists follow normal moral codes... and plenty of religious people have a hell of a time following their own religions moral codes.

Society in general needs a unified moral code to exist properly.  Otherwise a Social Contract could never really be achieved.

social contract can be achieved by law also

its just that humanity has still not fully gotten rid of its ancient beliefs

 

My point was not that people follow just for heaven or hell,it was that the majority public does

majority public doesn't even know what the religious guidelines are,they blindly follow

 

many religious folks who have really studied the books would follow moral life and many sensible and knowledgable atheist would follow moral lives cause htye are both the same.

but majority of people haven't read a 1000 page holy book,they just follow as they like an authority which they think will save them from their bad deeds



snakenobi on 26 December 2011
richardhutnik said:
snakenobi said:


people only follow the morality guidelines if religion tells them where they come from or where they will go if they follow a moral guideline

taken heaven and hell out of it and people start thinking themselves

And who are you to tell people to take heaven and hell out of their thinking?  And what exactly do you bring to the table that would have anyone want to reason through your perceptions and biases?  You have your own presumptions of what you want that if you had your druthers, would impose upon other people, as about almost everyone else does.  Look at your language and thoughts and you will maybe see what these are.

Thinking for myself, I reach a conclusion you have a simplistic view of religious beliefs that doesn't accurately account for things, and is borderline insulting, if not fully insulting.  Apparently my thinking for myself fails to reach a common ground needed to be able to concur, and reduces everying to irrelevant subjectivity that ends up going down a sophist path of tricky arguments and appeals to base desire and vanity that doesn't do anything to make anyone better.


i didn't,i was talking about the herd who have not even read what heaven and hell means and how to acheive it

i wasn't going against any religion.

 

you talking about my language when you think questyioning anything is insulting?i am just searching for answers.

if you gotta learn something you gotta question

 

now if you are that kind of person and have a thinking that you shouldn't question and just follow even if it doesn't make sense then you are insulting  whatever you're following even more as blind following of something without doing any work towards it and expecting something in return is whats called insulting and greedy.



Kasz216 on 26 December 2011
snakenobi said:
Kasz216 said:
snakenobi said:


people only follow the morality guidelines if religion tells them where they come from or where they will go if they follow a moral guideline

taken heaven and hell out of it and people start thinking themselves

The social contract would disagree with you... and in general, well society.

Plenty of atheists follow normal moral codes... and plenty of religious people have a hell of a time following their own religions moral codes.

Society in general needs a unified moral code to exist properly.  Otherwise a Social Contract could never really be achieved.

social contract can be achieved by law also

No it can't.  Laws are created as a representation of the Social Contract and draw it's authority from it.

In a world where the is no morality, laws can not exist because actions are completely subjective and nobody really holds a base overwhelming view.

 



Kudistos Megistos on 26 December 2011
snakenobi said:

So i have been following the US republican presidential nomination hopeful's debates and other interviews.They again and again bring the religion topic in it.

Now i know the basic laws alot of which are same in all religions and are based on logic,reasoning and philosophy.So i am able to understand why they are in place

What i am trying to find out is the stories and rules of abhramic religions which is the topic of debate alot of which donot follow logic and reasoning.

I am not asking whether they are right or wrong as religion opinions don't matter to me.Now i have tried to find out and reach the root of Abrahamic religion but there is just a lot of and i mean alot to read.

if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman and then they populated the earth,wouldn't all people there after be the same but this isn't agreed upon as they say they created 3 or 4 different races - The african race,the Causcoid race and the mongloid race and then created GOD's chosen children aka Hebrews.

is that what the religion says,mostly Christian-judea side of it which is the part of debate in US.

So help me out here a bit.But please keep opinions out.


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