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Seece said:
Coca-Cola said:
Seece said:
10. makes up for 1 - 9 yay for not forcing religion on people!!


Mentioning God is not forcing religion on people. 

It is in a way, expecting non religious people to have to listen to that just for the sake of religious people, he should be impartial.

Does it really bother non religious people to hear 'God bless America'?  I don't think it sounds forceful at all,  If anything, it's a great tradition.  

I grew up as a Christian in mostly Buddhist country and the figure of buddha, monks, or other symbols don't bother me a bit.  



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lordmandeep said:

Well it is true Obama is handicapped by congress but Obama made a huge mistake in 2009.

He passed a stimulus Bill and frankly ignored the economy till after the Midterm election focusing on Health Care. That really soured the public against him and really let the Republicans storm into Congress only after historic Congressional and Senate victories in 2008 and 2012 for the democrats.

One needs to remember how on earth the Democrats went from dominating the house and Senate in 2 years.

If he had the economy as a key issue in 2009-2010, he would have been able to create a stronger economy and would had stooped the Republicans from gaining control. 

I agree Republicans are being bad in what they are doing, but Obama imo has only realized the true nature of politics and spent the first year or two getting his initial executive experience.

 

 

Also Clinton was at with Congress from 1994-1996. It was not tell he got relected that he was able to sort of get what he wanted. There was a lot of compromise and Clinton's vast popularity allowed him to force Republicans to compromise.

With Reagan, the democrats in congress had been in power for decades. They knews how to deal with Republicans and Reagans vast popularity allowed him to force congress.

Even so Both Reagan and Clinton compromised a lot with Republicans and democrats.

Obama needs to win the 2012 election imo he will at most 2 years to get Congress to work with him. When a President wins a election he gets a lot more political power. Great Compromises will have to be struck as they have in the past. After 2 years I expect the Republicans will start counting down to 2016.

 

Also, as bad as the Repblicans are in Congress, I am quite suprised the Democrats have not been able to gain renewed support in Congress.

best statement made in this thread cause it's true.



"Legislative tactics from republicans blocked mostly all of his efforts, and you still need a certain amount of Senators to pass some bills in the Senate before the President, well you should know where i'm going with this."

Frankly that was bad from the Republicans but as the democrats and Obama did not fight back hard and allowed the GOP to dominate in 2010.



anyone who thinks that the President really controls anything is kidding themselves. Being a president is one of the worst jobs ever. Just compare Obama he was elected and what he is now. He stems more amaciated and has more grey hair. Anyways op the main people you should blame are sitting in congress

 

10. And most presidents are really atheists. Chruch is just a way to better their public image. Just like how Christmas is just a holiday to stimulate U.S. economy. Nothing more, nothing less.



I think Obama was not prepared for office as he had no real experience.

He had only 2 years of experience in Washington and a few years as a State Senator. Meaning he was not prepared at all to deal with the problems that he faced. So what I am saying is sure Obama faced a terribile situation but his inexperience and  naiveity towards the process really meant his first few years were squandered.


Frankly Presidents should be people who have been in Congress or the Senate or are former Governor's or Vice Presidents.



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Coca-Cola said:
nuckles87 said:
Neither Reagan or Clinton had to deal with a Congress that is literally content to just sit on it's hands and wait out the clock. Obama's gone so far as to alienate his own base in his attempts to get things like the debt ceiling through Congress. I never imagined the Republican house and Senators would be this bad. I knew they'd demand stuff, but I never imagined it would be, at all times, my way or the highway. Fact of the matter is, they don't want to work with him. They want him out. That's their only real goal right now. Heck, they've said as much. Remember McConnell's "Our primary goal is to make Obama a one term president"? Did Reagan have to deal with that?

I thought Obama had both House and Senate on his side for two years.

It's never been that simple, but I was mostly talking about since 2011. I was assuming that's what the person was referring to.


In those days  Obama was all about bipartisanship and trying to get Republicans to work with him to produce bills that could be passed with bipartisan support. In the end this would only produce watered down legislation that few Republicans would vote for anyway.


Obama also had to deal with the constant, record number of filibusters in the senate, filibusters democrats only had the majorities to override for a few months, and during those days he had to deal with conservative democrats that were practically democrats in name only. A good congress doesn't rubber stamp everything a president does, and even the 2009/2010 democratic congress.



Obama was being naive but he assumed his popularity would allowed him to control congress.
Also he thought he had fixed the economy with the stimulus bill. I think if he spent more time on the economy he could have gotten far more done especially the financial reform bill..

Nonetheless, Obama's approval ratings are quite bad for a President and have not improved for about a year and half now. Lowest point was in August which was a terrible month for him. They have slightly improved as he is in the mid 40's and not the low 40's.



Obama 2012 is going to be my sig because the annoying conservatives on here try to make everybody think we want another disaster like Bush. Call me a Canadian the day a republican wins again.



chocoloco said:
Obama 2012 is going to be my sig because the annoying conservatives on here try to make everybody think we want another disaster like Bush. Call me a Canadian the day a republican wins again.


I guess I missed those annoying conservatives because the majority of the posts on this thread (from what I saw skimming through) are either in support of Obama or are just ambivalent in regards to Obama's performance. Also, whenever Bush was mentioned it was (from the instances I saw) for the purpose of condemning him.

 



DarthVolod said:
chocoloco said:
Obama 2012 is going to be my sig because the annoying conservatives on here try to make everybody think we want another disaster like Bush. Call me a Canadian the day a republican wins again.


I guess I missed those annoying conservatives because the majority of the posts on this thread (from what I saw skimming through) are either in support of Obama or are just ambivalent in regards to Obama's performance. Also, whenever Bush was mentioned it was (from the instances I saw) for the purpose of condemning him.

 

I am not talking about this thread I did not read one post, but half the first one. The fact is this site has had tons of threads that are anti-Obama and I think it creates a false impression. Also I am the one calling Bush a disaster not anyone else in this thread.